another cherokee thread from adio....

[adio]

hey kids,
shortdude here. besides the body, is there any major differences between a regular cherokee and a grand cherokee? i'm still lookin to buy one of them.

[G1ock]

From my knowledge the Grand Cherokee's more of a Luxury suv with bigger engine options..since i'm no hardcore Jeep nut, you may have to get some of the fanboi's in here to confirm this.

[Spider Monkey]

hey kids,
shortdude here. besides the body, is there any major differences between a regular cherokee and a grand cherokee? i'm still lookin to buy one of them.

Yes. They are completely different vehicles. That's like asking if there is a difference between an Accord and a Civic.

[slim8605]

Everything is different.

[slim8605]

Yes. They are completely different vehicles. That's like asking if there is a difference between an Accord and a Civic.

Yea, that.

[evildave101]

body/interior, engine options and rear suspension design are the biggest differences

grand has coil springs and disk brakes front and rear

cherokee has leaf springs and drums in the rear

grand has V8 options

cherokee can be had with a manual trans

all grands are 4 door with auto trans

cherokees are 2 or 4 door...

[slim8605]

And one has a longer name.

[evildave101]

also, the grand is a fullsize and has a greater cargo/towing capacity...

[adio]

body/interior, engine options and rear suspension design are the biggest differences

grand has coil springs and disk brakes front and rear

cherokee has leaf springs and drums in the rear
grand has V8 options

cherokee can be had with a manual trans

all grands are 4 door with auto trans

cherokees are 2 or 4 door...

would kinda difference what one notice with these?

[adio]

Yes. They are completely different vehicles. That's like asking if there is a difference between an Accord and a Civic.

ok i got it now.......kinda like the differences between between a jerk-off and jagg off

[evildave101]

little bit better braking with 4 wheel disks - but its also a heavier truck so...

coil is supposed to have a bit smoother ride - but you most likely wont notice much of a difference at all

[Spider Monkey]

would kinda difference what one notice with these?

Different types of suspension bro. They entire way they feel on the road is different. The Jeep is more rugged. The Grand Cherokee feels like a trip to your kids soccer game.

[adio]

thanks dave, this helped very much.............



anybody else?

[Spider Monkey]

thanks dave, this helped very much.............



anybody else?

Fuck you. That was real talk.

[adio]

Different types of suspension bro. They entire way they feel on the road is different. The Jeep is more rugged. The Grand Cherokee feels like a trip to your kids soccer game.

hmmmmm, a smooth ride is pretty nice.

[adio]

Fuck you. That was real talk.

fuck u too beiber. you musta posted your response a few seconds before me

[Spider Monkey]

fuck u too beiber. you

Whao whoa WHAO bro. You just crossed the line pal.

[adio]

Whao whoa WHAO bro. You just crossed the line pal.

:laugh:

luv ya SM ,lolzssz

[G1ock]

2005+ Ford Explore Limited's can be had for under $12k with decent miles and in good condition...cheap dependable small suv with a Luxury package.

[Spider Monkey]

2005+ Ford Explore Limited's can be had for under $12k with decent miles and in good condition...cheap dependable small suv with a Luxury package.

Not.

[adio]

2005+ Ford Explore Limited's can be had for under $12k with decent miles and in good condition...cheap dependable small suv with a Luxury package.

no explorers. this is a 2nd whip for me. i stick with japanese autos

[JimJ]

What do you plan on doing with this?

That will determine what's important to you...

[Spider Monkey]

no explorers. this is a 2nd whip for me. i stick with japanese autos

Then why are you fucking with a Jeep?

[atoz350]

Then why are you fucking with a Jeep?

Will be made in China a few years from now.

[Spider Monkey]

Will be made in China a few years from now.

Not the Jeeps bro.

[atoz350]

You guys ever notice that you can get a $7200 tax credit for purchasing a Chevy Volt, which is 3/4 owned by the federal government? Doesn't that mean they're paying themselves?

That's illegal.

[adio]

What do you plan on doing with this?

That will determine what's important to you...

1st = for 2 15's or 2 12's or 1 18

1.5ish= hauling various things around

2nd =when i'm done with car audio just used as a second vehicle and for long trips

3rd= no mudding and climbing jungle mountains. most i'll do is drive in on the beach when i go to delaware or ocean city, md every now and then

[adio]

Then why are you fucking with a Jeep?

it'll be my 2nd vehicle

[brynm]

1st = for 2 15's or 2 12's or 1 18

1.5ish= hauling various things around

2nd =when i'm done with car audio just used as a second vehicle and for long trips

3rd= no mudding and climbing jungle mountains. most i'll do is drive in on the beach when i go to delaware or ocean city, md every now and then

Drive both, a grand cherokee would probably suit that better.

[adio]

Drive both, a grand cherokee would probably suit that better.

1/2 lols



i can only buy one cuz

[brynm]

1/2 lols



i can only buy one cuz

No no, take both for a test drive, pick the one you like best. Chances are the gc will suit what you want better imo.

[Twistedchild420]

Don't ask these white devils....they will purposely lead you wrong my nubian brotha

[adio]

No no, take both for a test drive, pick the one you like best. Chances are the gc will suit what you want better imo.

not too many places that have both. plus, i have POS cherokee already, i just want a much much better one........ in a different color

[adio]

Don't ask these white devils....they will purposely lead you wrong my nubian brotha

awshit:laugh:

[JimJ]

You guys ever notice that you can get a $7200 tax credit for purchasing a Chevy Volt, which is 3/4 owned by the federal government? Doesn't that mean they're paying themselves?

That's illegal.

Don't fuck it up for us contractors, bro.

[adio]

btw, also checking out mitsubishi montero sports

[hoss]

Then why are you fucking with a Jeep?

Whoah bro. Did you just call something other than a wrangler a jeep??!!?!one?

[hoss]

You guys ever notice that you can get a $7200 tax credit for purchasing a Chevy Volt, which is 3/4 owned by the federal government? Doesn't that mean they're paying themselves?

That's illegal.

It would only be paying themselves if the government was buying the cars at face value. Otherwise this would be known as a "sale".

[undeadxsunshine]

As soon as I can afford it (my parents help me buy the vehicle) I'm getting a WJ w/V8 and it's getting clayton long arms, 6in springs, 242 TC swap, 33's, and whatever other goodies i can afford.

[mackin]

My WJ is the shit. :fyi:

WJ sounds like a better fit for what you're doing.

Don't expect the worlds smoothest ride though. Short wheelbase can get things hopping pretty well on a bumpy road.

[adio]

somebody recommended that i go for a 99-2003 grand cherokee. why did they choose those years?

[jmanpc]

Was that somebody a mechanic? He's probably recommending it because he knows he'll make a lot of money rebuilding your tranny when it explodes.

[evildave101]

unibody...

[evildave101]

somebody recommended that i go for a 99-2003 grand cherokee. why did they choose those years?

i like the ZJ, but thats just me...

[adio]

what is the zj?

[brynm]

Jeep Model Designations

"YJ? TJ? XJ? What do those mean?"

That's a question that gets asked a lot by newcomers to the Jeep world. In an effort to simplify the answers that people must continually post the the various Jeep lists, I'm creating this page. The ?J terms that people use are actually the first two letters of the body style designation assigned by Jeep to each major body style revision. I know I'm leaving out some models and a lot of production dates, so holler if you've got info not listed here.

MA - The original prototype Jeep submitted by Willys-Overland for the military contract in 1940. "M" stood for "military"; "A" for the first model.
MB - The revised model first mass-produced by Willys-Overland for the military in '40-'45?. "B" stood for the second model.
GP - The original prototype Jeep submitted by Ford for the military contract in 1940. "G" indicated government issue; "P" indicated an 80" wheelbase reconnaissance vehicle.
GPW - The revised model first mass-produced by Ford for the military in '40-'45?. It is virtually identical to the MB (the "W" stood for "Willys' design").
M38 - aka MC - The next generation military Jeep by Willys ('50-52), similar to the civilian CJ-3A. Like all of the above models, it was a flat-fender style.
M38A1 - aka MD - Basically the military version of the CJ-5 ('52-'71). Unlike the CJ-5, it had the front shackles behind the springs instead of up front.
M170 - Similar to a military version of the CJ-6. 4155 of them were made in the mid-50's and early-60's.
CJ - The first civilian version of the military-inspired short-wheelbase Jeep, made '42-'86. Encompasses everything from flat-fenders to Scramblers. Like many other early Jeep designations, "CJ" actually stands for something: Civilian Jeep. Various numbers followed the CJ designation, indicating different body styles within the CJ line:
CJ-2A - A flat-fender, very similar to the military MB ('45-49) except that the headlights bulge out of the grill instead of being inset.
CJ-3A - A flat-fender, very similar to the military M38 ('48-53).
CJ-3B - A flat-fender, the top of its hood sits 4" higher above the fenders than the 3A to clear the new F-head engine ('52-68).
CJ-4 - Only one prototype is known to exist. It was discovered in 1997(?), still in the hands of its second owner. It looks like a 50/50 mix of a CJ-3A and a CJ-5, with only slightly-rounded fenders.
CJ-5 - The civilian version of the M38A1, but with the front shackles under the bumper like most other models. 81" ('55-'71) or 84" ('72-'83) wheelbase. Front fenders are rounded like all subsequent short-wheelbase Jeeps. Easily distinguished from the CJ-7 by a small doorway with a rounded, sloping rear edge.
CJ-6 - Essentially a CJ-5 that was stretched 20" ('58-75), intended for use as a small pickup.
CJ-7 - A compromise between the CJ-5 and CJ-6, having a 93.4" wheelbase (like the YJ and TJ). The body tub is very similar to the YJ and TJ, but the rear wheel wells are round instead of angular. Made '76-'86.
CJ-8 - Also called a "Scrambler." Similar to a CJ-7, but with an extra 10" of wheelbase and an even longer rear overhang. Like the CJ-6, it was intended as a small pickup, but never really found its niche. Only 27,000 were made from '81-'86. Commonly seen with half-cab tops that surround only the front seats.
CJ-10 - A more truck-like Jeep built mainly for export from 1981-85. A small number were also sold to the US Air Force for use in pulling aircraft around runways. These Jeeps had very stout drivetrains compared with their smaller brethren. Easily distinguished by the square headlights in the fenders and the 10-slat grille.
YJ - The original Wrangler, made '87-'95 (though production actually continued into March of '96). Rectangular headlights make it the bastard child of the of the short-wheelbase line. Rear wheel wells are larger and more angled than the CJ-7, but otherwise the two are visually quite similar.
TJ - The second generation Wrangler, made 1997-2006 (actually began shipping May of '96). Round headlights, coil suspension, and a much more car-like interior distinguish it from the YJ.
JK/JKL - The third generation Wrangler, introduced in 2007. It's somewhat larger than the TJ, and has a rounded windshield and body panels. JK is the 2-door version; JKL is the 4-door.
SJ - The full-size Cherokee ('74-'83), Wagoneer ('63-'83), Grand Wagoneer ('84-'91), and J-truck ('63-'87). In 1984, Jeep introduced the down-sized XJ and started calling them Cherokees and Wagoneers, leaving only the Grand Wagoneer in the SJ lineup until its demise in '91.
M-715 - A 5/4-ton military pickup built '67-'69. It somewhat resembles a J-truck (SJ), only bigger and badder. The M-725 was the ambulance version of the M-715.
XJ - The down-sized Cherokee ('84-'01) and Wagoneer ('84-'89?). It was (probably?) the first Jeep to use a unibody chassis.
KJ - The Liberty ('02-present), which replaced the XJ in Jeep's product lineup.
ZJ - The Grand Cherokee ('93-'98), which replaced the Grand Wagoneer (SJ) as Jeep's luxury cruiser after a 1-year hiatus. Though much more aerodynamic than the SJ, it's obviously less rounded than its replacement, the WJ.
WJ - As the more bubble-shaped, aerodynamic replacement for the ZJ, it continues the Grand Cherokee name ('99-04).
WK - The third style of Grand Cherokee has a more angular design than the WJ and also joins the Liberty in having an independent front suspension ('05-present).
?? - The Commander was introduced as the big brother of the WK, offering 7-passenger seating and the 5.7L Hemi V8 ('06-present).
?? - The Patriot is a compact, 4-door, crossover SUV introduced in 2007. It's bigger than the Compass, falling somewhere between the Grand Cherokee and Commander.
?? - The Compass is a compact, 4-door, crossover SUV introduced in 2007. It's smaller than the Patriot, but slightly larger than the Liberty.
MJ - The Comanche pickup ('86-'92). It shares much in common with the XJ of that era, including its front unibody chassis. It replaced the full-size Gladiator and J-truck pickups of the SJ era.
DJ-3A - Dispatcher (postal) version of the CJ-3A, made '56-65. Only 2-wheel drive versions were available.
DJ-5 - Dispatcher (postal) version of the CJ-5, made '65-8? by Jeep and then AM General. Only 2-wheel drive versions were available. A DJ-6 (long, like the CJ-6) was also made from '65-68.
VJ - The Jeepster ('48-50) was an attempt by Willys to spice up their vehicle lineup. 2WD, 72hp, and poor marketing doomed it to be discontinued after less than three years.
C-101 - The Jeepster Commando ('66-73) was an attempt by Kaiser to compete with with the Bronco and TLC. The C101 was part CJ and part Wagoneer, advertised as a "happy combo, racy and rugged." This time around it had 4WD, and came in convertibles, hardtop wagons, and half-cab pickups.
FC - Forward Control pickups, with the cab directly above the engine. Made '57-'63.
,

[DUSSIN]

Don't ask these white devils....they will purposely lead you wrong my nubian brotha


LULZ

[atoz350]

It would only be paying themselves if the government was buying the cars at face value. Otherwise this would be known as a "sale".

You're missing the point. The government is bribing individuals with such a large tax credit to entice them to buy their product. Any other company does any thing similar and they would be brought up for an anti-trust violation.

They are saying that if you buy our car, we won't take as much from you around tax time, A.K.A. bullying.

[Spider Monkey]

Whoah bro. Did you just call something other than a wrangler a jeep??!!?!one?

A cherokee is also a Jeep bro. So is an H1.

[evildave101]

A cherokee is also a Jeep bro. So is an H1.

FJ-40/45?

[JimJ]

Would drive one.

[Spider Monkey]

FJ-40/45?

Look at the front grill. How many slots does it have?


Exactly. Not even close to a real Jeep.

[JimJ]

Haters gonna hate.

[hoss]

You're missing the point. The government is bribing individuals with such a large tax credit to entice them to buy their product. Any other company does any thing similar and they would be brought up for an anti-trust violation.

They are saying that if you buy our car, we won't take as much from you around tax time, A.K.A. bullying.

Bro, companies do this all the time. Discounts, incentives, allowances, cash back, etc etc etc.

It's all the same. The incentive in question is not vehicle, or even manufacturer specific. It would be an unfair practice if they only gave the incentive in their vehicles. But even then, it's the government, you won't win.

[undeadxsunshine]

somebody recommended that i go for a 99-2003 grand cherokee. why did they choose those years?

the WJ's are 99-04. I've heard the trannys that come with the V8 are rock solid. They also have quadra-drive with the vari-lock axles which would suit you well. One known issue with those models other than the laredo is blend door failure, but there's an easy permanent fix for that. I say go with a WJ, that's what I'm pushing for.

[mackin]

I love my 2001 Grand Cherokee more everyday. Got the new Michelin A/T 2's on there over halloween, and we got a ton of snow last night.

Everyone's cars are plowed in, and it was 3/4 of the way up my tires. Threw her in Full-Time and backed right out, while others were shoveling for 45 minutes.

Felt like a badass.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs617.ash2/156987_10150143603304202_516399201_7954593_6797774_n.jpg

Couldn't even tell I have ski racks on lol (picture was before plow came through a second time.)

[adio]

I love my 2001 Grand Cherokee more everyday. Got the new Michelin A/T 2's on there over halloween, and we got a ton of snow last night.

Everyone's cars are plowed in, and it was 3/4 of the way up my tires. Threw her in Full-Time and backed right out, while others were shoveling for 45 minutes.

Felt like a badass.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs617.ash2/156987_10150143603304202_516399201_7954593_6797774_n.jpg

Couldn't even tell I have ski racks on lol (picture was before plow came through a second time.)

u gotta v6 or v8?

[evildave101]

Look at the front grill. How many slots does it have?


Exactly. Not even close to a real Jeep.

if we are going by grill slats then H2, H3, & H3t would be included

u gotta v6 or v8?

straight 6 or V8...:grin3:

[atoz350]

Bro, companies do this all the time. Discounts, incentives, allowances, cash back, etc etc etc.

It's all the same. The incentive in question is not vehicle, or even manufacturer specific. It would be an unfair practice if they only gave the incentive in their vehicles. But even then, it's the government, you won't win.

So robbery is an incentive?

[Spider Monkey]

I love my 2001 Grand Cherokee more everyday. Got the new Michelin A/T 2's on there over halloween, and we got a ton of snow last night.

Everyone's cars are plowed in, and it was 3/4 of the way up my tires. Threw her in Full-Time and backed right out, while others were shoveling for 45 minutes.

Felt like a badass.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs617.ash2/156987_10150143603304202_516399201_7954593_6797774_n.jpg

Couldn't even tell I have ski racks on lol (picture was before plow came through a second time.)
Sweet. You'd stll be able to see my entire rim over that little snow bank.
if we are going by grill slats then H2, H3, & H3t would be included


There is more to it than the slats. That is just the start. Next is, there can't be any plastic on the exterior other than what is added for shipping.

[Hagabro]

http://go.jeep-xj.info/index.htm

[SAD]

Jeeps suck!

/thread

[Spider Monkey]

Jeeps suck!

/thread

If you want to be banned, just shoot me a PM bro.

[adio]

still searchin. its so hard to find a GC with a v8, usually people want at least 8k for em. i love to get a 2005 GC, but they're outta the price range...... i like the body better on those. oh well.

[ngsm13]

If you want problems... buy one...

[adio]

ur really tryna get ur post count up huh? wow cutty.

[adio]

If you want problems... buy one...

i'm not gettin a f-150. i used to live close to W.Va panhandle, not in it.......

[SAD]

If you want to be banned, just shoot me a PM bro.

Sine you own a Jeep, you know I'm right. :shrug:

[Spider Monkey]

Sine you own a Jeep, you know I'm right. :shrug:

Bro, my Jeep is awesome. It just sits in the garage like a good little boy and causes me no problems.

[adio]

Bro, my Jeep is awesome. It just sits in the garage like a good little boy and causes me no problems.

tell us about it.....

[Spider Monkey]

tell us about it.....

What is there to say outside of the things I've already said in the past?

[SAD]

Bro, my Jeep is awesome. It just sits in the garage like a good little boy and causes me no problems.

All jeeps suck. Even yours.

Don't get me wrong, I like them, and owned them for years. But they still suck.

[Spider Monkey]

All jeeps suck. Even yours.

Don't get me wrong, I like them, and owned them for years. But they still suck.

Mine doesn't.

[adio]

whatever u said in the past is not ITT........

[mackin]

u gotta v6 or v8?

It has the 4.0 I6.

My sister has a 2007 GC Laredo that is basically the updated version of mine, with a v8. I get a boner every time I drive it. If you could get a WK, that would be the best.

[adio]

It has the 4.0 I6.

My sister has a 2007 GC Laredo that is basically the updated version of mine, with a v8. I get a boner every time I drive it. If you could get a WK, that would be the best.

do u have any problem gettin through snow?? and would u be scared to drive it on a beach?

[undeadxsunshine]

do u have any problem gettin through snow?? and would u be scared to drive it on a beach?

If I had no intentions of lifting the jeep I get I would probably go for a WK too. They do very well in the snow, my gf's dad came and picked me up last winter right after a total blizzard and it had no problem.

[slim8605]

My Lancer does good in the snow.

[undeadxsunshine]

My Lancer does good in the snow.

gotta love cars with awd

[brynm]

gotta love cars with awd

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure his is the fwd version.

[undeadxsunshine]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure his is the fwd version.

im probably wrong, that was just a mindless guess

[slim8605]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure his is the fwd version.

Correct. But snow tires ftw!

[mackin]

do u have any problem gettin through snow?? and would u be scared to drive it on a beach?

No problems at all. I just pwned the blizzard we had up in Duluth. People were getting stuck and shoveling out their cars while I just drove by with a smirk on my face.

Same situation with my sister's WK.

Never driven it on a beach, but I would guess there wouldn't be any problems after all the powder I have been plowing through with ease.

[Pop Da Hatch]

No problems at all. I just pwned the blizzard we had up in Duluth. People were getting stuck and shoveling out their cars while I just drove by with a smirk on my face.

Same situation with my sister's WK.

Never driven it on a beach, but I would guess there wouldn't be any problems after all the powder I have been plowing through with ease.



omg bro your the bestest.:noid:

[mackin]

omg bro your the bestest.:noid:

I know. You jealous that your plow got stuck? :troll:

[Pop Da Hatch]

Nah my mom has a 00 grand cherokee with the v8, I like but it handles like shit.

[mackin]

Nah my mom has a 00 grand cherokee with the v8, I like but it handles like shit.

I don't think mine handles poorly. It did roll like fucking crazy but that was because it needed new shocks. Now it is proper.

[Pop Da Hatch]

short wheel base and top heavy, works great and is fun to drive on dry pavement, about it.

[evildave101]

Nah my mom has a 00 grand cherokee with the v8, I like but it handles like shit.

viscous coupling...

[adio]

No problems at all. I just pwned the blizzard we had up in Duluth. People were getting stuck and shoveling out their cars while I just drove by with a smirk on my face.

Same situation with my sister's WK.

Never driven it on a beach, but I would guess there wouldn't be any problems after all the powder I have been plowing through with ease.

i'm glad u finally said this......... now i don't have to feel obligated to get a v8. i can't afford a WK/2005

[adio]

Nah my mom has a 00 grand cherokee with the v8, I like but it handles like shit.

whats wrong with it???

[Pop Da Hatch]

whats wrong with it???



viscous coupling...





^^ look up that term, that plus short wheel base, makes it slide around, things sweet on dry pavement. I believe you would be fine.

[adio]

viscous coupling...

whats that?

[adio]

]^^ look up that term[/B], that plus short wheel base, makes it slide around, things sweet on dry pavement. I believe you would be fine.

on it........

[adio]

lols, howstuffworks and 2 youtube videos

[evildave101]

viscous coupling splits the torque between the front & rear axles in the full time t-cases (247-249)

when it goes out (and it will) it locks up and there is a 50/50 torque split - good for off road - not good at all for driving on the street as it causes terrible wandering issues and binding when cornering/turning - and its really hard on the front end (axles, CV/U-joints, steering components)

in my opinion, the best way to fix it is to replace the full time t-case with a part time t-case (np231 is almost a direct swap) this will get you a 2wd position - excellent with the v8 (will do burnouts for days) gets rid of the binding issues, and saves some wear and tear on the axle and steering components

i did mine (97 GC 5.2L V8 ZJ limited) with sye (slip yolk eliminator) kit and new driveshafts for about $2100

before

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/102_1198.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/102_1194.jpg

after

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/102_1267.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/102_1272.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/evildave151/102_1268.jpg

[SAD]

I like reading Dave's posts when the talk is crappy Jeeps. Nice to have someone who is on my level. :thumbsup:

[Hagabro]

I miss my 90 xj. I put a disc brake setup on the rear axle as pretty much a solo mod and it was a good little SUV. The newer ones suck ass IMHO. Cheaply made renditions of the originals.

[adio]

I like reading Dave's posts when the talk is crappy Jeeps. Nice to have someone who is on my level. :thumbsup:

what would u recommend SAD?

[adio]

I miss my 90 xj. I put a disc brake setup on the rear axle as pretty much a solo mod and it was a good little SUV. The newer ones suck ass IMHO. Cheaply made renditions of the originals.

which ones

[Hagabro]

anything after the XJ era. so newer than what- 2000 or 2001?

I guess maybe they dont particularly suck ass but I just like the older, simpler jeeps.

[adio]

anything after the XJ era. so newer than what- 2000 or 2001?

I guess maybe they dont particularly suck ass but I just like the older, simpler jeeps.

me too, but its extremely hard to find one with the features i want. plus i want a smooth ride too ;)

[JimJ]

me too, but its extremely hard to find one with the features i want. plus i want a smooth ride too ;)

Features? Smooth ride?

You want an SUV, not a Jeep.

[adio]

Features? Smooth ride?

You want an SUV, not a Jeep.

features= Power windows, power locks, cruise control, 4wd (whether full or part time)
smooth ride= independent suspension

these= jeep grand cherokee

[SAD]

which ones

anything after the XJ era. so newer than what- 2000 or 2001?

I guess maybe they dont particularly suck ass but I just like the older, simpler jeeps.

What he recommends ^^. They still suck.. But they suck "less".

As he stated before... You do NOT want any full-time case in the JGC. They do make them with 231s though.. You just can't tell from the advertisement or the "marketing name" that the person posting the ad refers to... The 231s will have part-time 4wd (generally marked on the shift lever) and 2wd - along with lo-range... If it has any AWD or FT 4WD setting, you likely do not want it.

[SAD]

features= Power windows, power locks, cruise control, 4wd (whether full or part time)
smooth ride= independent suspension

these= jeep grand cherokee

You will not get a smooth ride in any jeep unless you go IFS.... So that essentially means WK or Ghey-J (Liberty). I know you're talking used.. But don't know what budget you're working with... These two models are going to be higher than XJ/ZJ/Bubble-J (WJ) - which have the solid axle D30 up front.

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You will not get a smooth ride in any jeep unless you go IFS.... So that essentially means WK or Ghey-J (Liberty). I know you're talking used.. But don't know what budget you're working with... These two models are going to be higher than XJ/ZJ/Bubble-J (WJ) - which have the solid axle D30 up front.

man, FUCK!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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man, JEEPS SUCK!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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I know man.

You want to own one... Dave owns one... I would like to (and probably will) own one again... But we can all have comfort in the thought that we understand they suck.

Jeeps are great as a second vehicle. If you have some econobox car, keep it... Rather than search for a nice one, get a beater $1500 XJ for the days when it snows or you wanna zoom around the beach (or whatever floats your boat). The best Jeep is one you can have fun with on the weekend and leave it in the garage/driveway when you drive your clean/unmolested "normal" car to work Monday morning.

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What he recommends ^^. They still suck.. But they suck "less".

As he stated before... You do NOT want any full-time case in the JGC. They do make them with 231s though.. You just can't tell from the advertisement or the "marketing name" that the person posting the ad refers to... The 231s will have part-time 4wd (generally marked on the shift lever) and 2wd - along with lo-range... If it has any AWD or FT 4WD setting, you likely do not want it.

and all WK's have full time 4wd......

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I know man.

You want to own one... Dave owns one... I would like to (and probably will) own one again... But we can all have comfort in the thought that we understand they suck.

Jeeps are great as a second vehicle. If you have some econobox car, keep it... Rather than search for a nice one, get a beater $1500 XJ for the days when it snows or you wanna zoom around the beach (or whatever floats your boat). The best Jeep is one you can have fun with on the weekend and leave it in the garage/driveway when you drive your clean/unmolested "normal" car to work Monday morning.

well if thats the case, i might as well stick with something older, since it is gonna b a 2nd car, sounds are gonna be in there, and next year i'm done with car audio

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NEXT QUESTION.........

what trucks out there have 2wd as well as the ability to shift to 4wd when needed???

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Will this shitty thread ever end?

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Will this shitty thread ever end?

na!

[evildave101]

NEXT QUESTION.........

what trucks out there have 2wd as well as the ability to shift to 4wd when needed???

extra cab tacoma is where i would go with this...

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extra cab tacoma is where i would go with this...

He cant afford that shit.

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He cant afford that shit.

trut!
trooph!
truf!
chewth!

[Spider Monkey]

Features? Smooth ride?

You want an SUV, not a Jeep.
THAT
features= Power windows, power locks, cruise control, 4wd (whether full or part time)
smooth ride= independent suspension

these= jeep grand cherokee
Say a grand cherokee is a Jeep. One more fucking time. I dare you.
NEXT QUESTION.........

what trucks out there have 2wd as well as the ability to shift to 4wd when needed???
All of them, ya goobtard.

[slim8605]

Don't get a Jeep. Get an Evo.

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THAT

Say a grand cherokee is a Jeep. One more fucking time. I dare you.
All of them, ya goobtard.

tell your avatar i live in southeast DC.... 5.4 miles from chinatown

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THAT

Say a grand cherokee is a Jeep. One more fucking time. I dare you.

All of them, ya goobtard.

i can't wait to tittyfuck u when u renew your vowels with your wife



























































but it'll be in love though. cause i like u SM

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i can't wait to tittyfuck u when u renew your vowels with your wife

but it'll be in love though. cause i like u SM

srsly?

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srsly?

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i can't believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who else wanna fuck with shortdudes homophones!?!?!?!?!?

[Spider Monkey]

i can't wait to tittyfuck u when u renew your vowels with your wife

but it'll be in love though. cause i like u SM

That's hot. I'll be sure to let you know when said wife exists.

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That's hot. I'll be sure to let you know when said wife exists.

i can help u with that.
i'll come pick u up in my jeep truck and and we'll go to a bar and i'll be your wingman. u just gotta rip yourself away from 37k posts on here and talk to actual human beings...........

[atoz350]

Soufeese!!

[Spider Monkey]

i can help u with that.
i'll come pick u up in my jeep truck and and we'll go to a bar and i'll be your wingman. u just gotta rip yourself away from 37k posts on here and talk to actual human beings...........

Not a problem bro. You don't see a single post from me after 5:00 or on weekends. Those are the only times I'd be going to a bar.

[Spider Monkey]

And I'd take you in my man jeep.

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Not a problem bro. You don't see a single post from me after 5:00 or on weekends. Those are the only times I'd be going to a bar.

y u lie bro?

http://i.imgur.com/Y3CJR.jpg

[Spider Monkey]

y u lie bro?

http://i.imgur.com/Y3CJR.jpg

TIME ZONE TRICKERY!!!!

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Not my fault you are on the wrong coast.

[Spider Monkey]

Not my fault you are on the wrong coast.

Keep it up and I might just add some anthrax to this package bro.

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