Windows 7

[Toasted1]

Anyone running it yet? I am rebuilding my PC this weekend and was considering fucking around with it for a while before going back to Vista.

[Spider Monkey]

Will skip Vista for it.

[Toasted1]

I still don't get the vista hate as I have never had any problems but 7 is supposedly the bom diggy I am just not sure if it is worth the painfully slow download.

[Spider Monkey]

I still don't get the vista hate as I have never had any problems but 7 is supposedly the bom diggy I am just not sure if it is worth the painfully slow download.

I have no hate for Vista. I have never used it. Don't need to do so when it will get leap-frogged like Windows ME.

[MrBones]

I duel booted windows 7 on this pos netbook and it ran great, picked up all the drivers, runs faster than Vista for sure and looks great. I'll probably switch to it next year.

[Sex Cells]

Vista isn't bad unless you have a computer that can't keep up.

[IDSkot]

Anyone running it yet? I am rebuilding my PC this weekend and was considering fucking around with it for a while before going back to Vista.

I was thinking when I reformat of trying Windows 7... I have to research. Not sure how well it works with everything. But I hear it works really well.

[IDSkot]

Vista isn't bad unless you have a computer that can't keep up.

I have a problem with a O/S that uses so much RAM just on the desktop. It's ridiculous. Just opening a single window uses up so much memory, I don't even know why.

[Spider Monkey]

I have a problem with a O/S that uses so much RAM just on the desktop. It's ridiculous. Just opening a single window uses up so much memory, I don't even know why.

1- There is no / in OS.
2- Your computer sucks if it doesn't have enough RAM to handle Vista, XP, and 7 all at the same time.

[IDSkot]

1- There is no / in OS.
2- Your computer sucks if it doesn't have enough RAM to handle Vista, XP, and 7 all at the same time.

lmao. Not my PC. It's my friend's Laptop. He has the widget on the side that shows how much processing power you're using and how much memory, in terms of percent... and I don't know how much RAM / what speed processor. But, he runs L4D on high settings with no problems... and every time he opens a window the gauge goes to like 65%, and sometimes goes to like 90-100%, then goes back down.

And sorry, I've been talking to my friend about OS/X, and I just put it in.

[MOT]

you really need to quit posting in this section.

[IDSkot]

you really need to quit posting in this section.

Uhh... I'm sure you have some great justification, and I won't even try to fight it 'cause there's no use. What I said was completely useful, in the sense that I was saying my experience with said operating system. Seeing how the computer ran a modern game at high settings, but had a problem opening a simple file shows it's inefficiency. I didn't know I was supposed to get in-depth technical in every post.

[IamDeMan]

I have no hate for Vista. I have never used it. Don't need to do so when it will get leap-frogged like Windows ME.

Me was a fucking band aid though and a piss poor one with shitty adhesive. It added new features on a already problematic platform.

[IamDeMan]

I have a problem with a O/S that uses so much RAM just on the desktop. It's ridiculous. Just opening a single window uses up so much memory, I don't even know why.

No. You have to learn the OS before you blame the OS. Fucking n00b. It can be tamed with great results.

[IDSkot]

No. You have to learn the OS before you blame the OS. Fucking n00b. It can be tamed with great results.

You can wax a turd, and make it shiny, and sleek... but it's still a piece of shit in the end.
I've used XP since my first PC back in '02, and I've had great results from it. I've personally never tried Vista on my own PC, and I haven't messed with it. But I don't think an operating system should take anywhere near 250+MB of RAM to open a WINDOW.

[darthvibrator]

You can wax a turd, and make it shiny, and sleek... but it's still a piece of shit in the end.
I've used XP since my first PC back in '02, and I've had great results from it. I've personally never tried Vista on my own PC, and I haven't messed with it. But I don't think an operating system should take anywhere near 250+MB of RAM to open a WINDOW.

1) you cant wax a turd

2) you cant make a turd shiny

3) a turd is inherently sleek

strike 3, you're out!

[Sex Cells]

You can wax a turd, and make it shiny, and sleek... but it's still a piece of shit in the end.
I've used XP since my first PC back in '02, and I've had great results from it. I've personally never tried Vista on my own PC, and I haven't messed with it. But I don't think an operating system should take anywhere near 250+MB of RAM to open a WINDOW.

Get over it.

[IDSkot]

1) you cant wax a turd

2) you cant make a turd shiny

3) a turd is inherently sleek

strike 3, you're out!

You've never had a hard jagged turd? Them shits hurt, y0.

[darthvibrator]

You've never had a hard jagged turd? Them shits hurt, y0.

i have had the hard jagged turds, so ill give you that one. i dont like them because they damage the perfect seal that my missing sphincter would make, and leave me with uncontrollable mud butt for the next 2 hours.

[IDSkot]

I often times like to hold my poo, and often times, if I wait 'til I feel like I'm going to explode, it all comes out in one solid compact log. And it's always a flawless victory.

[IamDeMan]

You can wax a turd, and make it shiny, and sleek... but it's still a piece of shit in the end.
I've used XP since my first PC back in '02, and I've had great results from it. I've personally never tried Vista on my own PC, and I haven't messed with it. But I don't think an operating system should take anywhere near 250+MB of RAM to open a WINDOW.

Well then you have no understanding of what the user base needs.

XP came out with most things turned off and still a vulnerable rights system. Allowing users to be logged on as admin from the get go proved an exploitation nightmare once again for MS.

While power users may find Vista hoggish and annoying. For most of MS user base it was a great design. UA control and things working right out of the box with no plugins benefits the most common users buying a system with Vista. Your perspective is skewed from you delusional thoughts that you are a supreme power user who doesn't need help running an OS.

then for the power user, all these detriments can be shut down and molded to do what the power user wants. Making it no longer a turd thats just got a wax job.

Fact is since you see no merit in this type of system shows how much you need to learn about a viable mainstream commercial OS.

MS isn't in the business of selling an OS to 10% of consumers who know what they are doing, but do offer the tools to make it work for these people.

[IamDeMan]

Also, I started using XP in 2000, so you are obviously just slow at catching on to anything.

[MrBones]

7 is like the smarter better looking sister of vista (who happens to be a fat bitch)

[Spider Monkey]

Also, I started using XP in 2000, so you are obviously just slow at catching on to anything.

No, he is just another dumb fucking child.

[IamDeMan]

7 is like the smarter better looking sister of vista (who happens to be a fat bitch)

Well second gens of anything tend to be a better version of the core concept. If not then RD is failing.

[Spider Monkey]

Well second gens of anything tend to be a better version of the core concept. If not then RD is failing.

Gotta give him props for putting it that way. I lolld.

[IDSkot]

Well then you have no understanding of what the user base needs.

XP came out with most things turned off and still a vulnerable rights system. Allowing users to be logged on as admin from the get go proved an exploitation nightmare once again for MS.

While power users may find Vista hoggish and annoying. For most of MS user base it was a great design. UA control and things working right out of the box with no plugins benefits the most common users buying a system with Vista. Your perspective is skewed from you delusional thoughts that you are a supreme power user who doesn't need help running an OS.

then for the power user, all these detriments can be shut down and molded to do what the power user wants. Making it no longer a turd thats just got a wax job.

Fact is since you see no merit in this type of system shows how much you need to learn about a viable mainstream commercial OS.

MS isn't in the business of selling an OS to 10% of consumers who know what they are doing, but do offer the tools to make it work for these people.

I understand where you're coming from on this. In that sense, yes, Vista is superior. And, you're right, I haven't bothered messing with it. To be frank, I don't care enough. XP does exactly what I need, and I've already got it to where I wanted. So, tell me, why would I need to switch my OS when the one I have is suiting me fine? Sure, XP only supports DX9, and Vista supports DX10, which will be the main reason I will switch in the future. But I've played games with DX10, and they look only slightly different from DX9. Not enough for me to learn a brand new OS.
I understand your stand point, and I never said Vista was bad. I Just said that it used up a lot of memory to open a window. Period. I didn't mean to compare it to XP in that sense.

Also, I started using XP in 2000, so you are obviously just slow at catching on to anything.

I'm just too young.

No, he is just another dumb fucking child.

Word.
I was 10 in 2000, and I was 12 when I got my first PC and started using XP.

[willyg4444]

Can you upgrade to 7 from XP yet? I was all psyched to upgrade a couple of weeks ago, then when I was going through the process it said I couldn't upgrade from XP to 7 :crap: BS

[MrBones]

My first computer was a laptop from 1991. It weight 14 pounds with battery (10 of those pounds)
It had a 40MB hd and maybe a meg of ram? greyscale screen and ms dos 5.

but I managed to surf the web with the 14kb internet and find pron.
when I updated to ms dos 6 to play prince of Persia, I ran out of ram.

[Spider Monkey]

Liar

[MrBones]

Can you upgrade to 7 from XP yet? I was all psyched to upgrade a couple of weeks ago, then when I was going through the process it said I couldn't upgrade from XP to 7 :crap: BS

I put it on a separate partition, just to be safe.

[IDSkot]

Can you upgrade to 7 from XP yet? I was all psyched to upgrade a couple of weeks ago, then when I was going through the process it said I couldn't upgrade from XP to 7 :crap: BS

Reformat. It's the cool thing to do!

[willyg4444]

I put it on a separate partition, just to be safe.

Yeah I was thinking that. I already have Linux running on a separate partition though so I dunno =/

[willyg4444]

Reformat. It's the cool thing to do!

Would all of my drivers work in 7? I thought that was the issue, but maybe I was told wrong.

[pl8er]

I'm tired and you bitches wrote too much for me to read, so if I say what anyone else has, my bad.

Windows 7 rocks the house. It's fast, it's reliable and it does most everything needed for upkeep and installation for you.

Vista will end up being referred to as the next great ME imo. Vista was pretty, and Vista was SLOW.

I ran Windows 7 for awhile. Actually, it is still loaded on this machine. Fastest beta I have EVER ran. Actually was faster than XP in a few tests I did.

[IDSkot]

I'm tired and you bitches wrote too much for me to read, so if I say what anyone else has, my bad.

Windows 7 rocks the house. It's fast, it's reliable and it does most everything needed for upkeep and installation for you.

Vista will end up being referred to as the next great ME imo. Vista was pretty, and Vista was SLOW.

I ran Windows 7 for awhile. Actually, it is still loaded on this machine. Fastest beta I have EVER ran. Actually was faster than XP in a few tests I did.

They did 54 tests that a normal every day user would do.

Windows 7 Beta was first, and trailing WAYY behind was XP, and then behind XP by a few points was Vista.

[atoz350]

My take on it is this: Just as you can tweak XP, you can tweak Vista. A tweaked version of Vista (uneeded services disabled) will shit all over XP, and look prettier while doing it. 7 is going to be great assuming its in its final builds and MS doesn't add bloat. I'm running build 7100 on my little laptop now. I love it.

BTW It took forever to download build 7100!! Maybe that's because I downloaded all of the versions mapped to a single .iso. I can choose which version I want to install.

[reson8]

I've used it, have it setup for dual boot on my pc. At this point I've had pretty good experiences with it, and I am slowly transitioning over to it. Only issue I have had is with AVG using up a shit-ton of cpu, but I doubt thats a 7 specific issue.

Put it this way. I plan on buying it when it comes out. The last OS I actually purchased was DOS 6.22.
Take that as you will. :fyi:

[97gp]

A tweaked version of Vista (uneeded services disabled) will shit all over XP

I need more info on this bros

[IamDeMan]

I understand where you're coming from on this. In that sense, yes, Vista is superior. And, you're right, I haven't bothered messing with it. To be frank, I don't care enough. XP does exactly what I need, and I've already got it to where I wanted. So, tell me, why would I need to switch my OS when the one I have is suiting me fine? Sure, XP only supports DX9, and Vista supports DX10, which will be the main reason I will switch in the future. But I've played games with DX10, and they look only slightly different from DX9. Not enough for me to learn a brand new OS.
I understand your stand point, and I never said Vista was bad. I Just said that it used up a lot of memory to open a window. Period. I didn't mean to compare it to XP in that sense.

This is where you must be assuming something I didn't say. Me or no one else is making you upgrade your OS. Of course if XP is doing the job, there is no need to switch. That wasn't what I was arguing. What I was arguing was how unwarranted your regurgitation of popular Vista hate banter that is for the most part illogical.

I still use XP on 2 of my computers.

Just like with anything, it comes down to needs, hardware, application, budget when deciding this kind of thing.


As far as needing a reason to learn a new OS, a true enthusiast and power user needs no motivation to learn a new OS. They do it because that is the motivation. Do you think you won't have to learn 7? You said it yourself that it is the refined version of Vista, so you will still have a learning curve.

[IamDeMan]

Yeah I was thinking that. I already have Linux running on a separate partition though so I dunno =/

Swappable bay is the best solution for multiple OSes imo, but nothing wrong with booting more than 2 OS from one HDD.

[IamDeMan]

I'm tired and you bitches wrote too much for me to read, so if I say what anyone else has, my bad.

Windows 7 rocks the house. It's fast, it's reliable and it does most everything needed for upkeep and installation for you.

Vista will end up being referred to as the next great ME imo. Vista was pretty, and Vista was SLOW.

I ran Windows 7 for awhile. Actually, it is still loaded on this machine. Fastest beta I have EVER ran. Actually was faster than XP in a few tests I did.

While 7 may be a better version, I don't see how you can say Vista is slow. When ran on the equipment it was designed for and molded correctly it is every bit as fast as XP.

[Toasted1]

Well it's 85% downloaded and I just got called into work so this is going to gave to wait until tonight/tomorrow.

[bluecar]

I don't see the difference between Windows 95 and Vista. But then again, I use a computer to do HW and surf the net.

[Toasted1]

I don't see the difference between Windows 95 and Vista. But then again, I use a computer to do HW and surf the net.

http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/empty/win95.png

http://www.microsoftwindowsvista.eu/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/800px-windows_vista_aero.png

Same thing just purtier

[reson8]

While 7 may be a better version, I don't see how you can say Vista is slow. When ran on the equipment it was designed for and molded correctly it is every bit as fast as XP.

The only complaint I had (well, I have 2 really) is that because of all the Eye-Candy, Vista is quite slow when in regards to remote support. That and they had to fuck with my run command. Why did they fuck with my run box? Fuck.

[Spider Monkey]

I'm tired and you bitches wrote too much for me to read, so if I say what anyone else has, my bad.


Vista will end up being referred to as the next great ME imo. Vista was pretty, and Vista was SLOW.


Yea fag. Should have read. :p

[IDSkot]

This is where you must be assuming something I didn't say. Me or no one else is making you upgrade your OS. Of course if XP is doing the job, there is no need to switch. That wasn't what I was arguing. What I was arguing was how unwarranted your regurgitation of popular Vista hate banter that is for the most part illogical.

I still use XP on 2 of my computers.

Just like with anything, it comes down to needs, hardware, application, budget when deciding this kind of thing.


As far as needing a reason to learn a new OS, a true enthusiast and power user needs no motivation to learn a new OS. They do it because that is the motivation. Do you think you won't have to learn 7? You said it yourself that it is the refined version of Vista, so you will still have a learning curve.

I'm not a true enthusiast or power user. When I think something cool comes out and I think, "Hey, I could use that," or, "I would enjoy using that." I switch to it. I probably won't switch to Windows 7 until I have to reformat and Windows 7 comes out with great reviews. I stopped learning everything about operating systems and nice tweaks and all of that, being on the cutting line. I don't want to be a computer major, or anywhere close. And, honestly, what's the point? You can help trouble shoot a friend's PC. Tell them to fucking Google it. Oh, shit! I have an issue?! Google.
Actually, I've opted to not learn a lot of dumb pointless things because of Google.
It's amazing. I should buy Google Stocks.

[atoz350]

I need more info on this bros

www.tweakhound.com

Follow it thoroughly. Smiles will be had.

[IamDeMan]

I'm not a true enthusiast or power user. When I think something cool comes out and I think, "Hey, I could use that," or, "I would enjoy using that." I switch to it. I probably won't switch to Windows 7 until I have to reformat and Windows 7 comes out with great reviews. I stopped learning everything about operating systems and nice tweaks and all of that, being on the cutting line. I don't want to be a computer major, or anywhere close. And, honestly, what's the point? You can help trouble shoot a friend's PC. Tell them to fucking Google it. Oh, shit! I have an issue?! Google.
Actually, I've opted to not learn a lot of dumb pointless things because of Google.
It's amazing. I should buy Google Stocks.

Just because something cool comes out, doesn't mean it suits YOUR needs. On the same token just because some new doesn't suit YOUR needs, doesn't mean it is shit. Vista met most of its goals and brought in more account security that was needed. My only real complaint with Vista and as far as I can tell will also be my complaint on 7 is that MS still isn't bringing me the promised DB driven file system. WinFS was an initial goal for Vista and got scrapped early.

[atoz350]

The only complaint I had (well, I have 2 really) is that because of all the Eye-Candy, Vista is quite slow when in regards to remote support. That and they had to fuck with my run command. Why did they fuck with my run box? Fuck.

You can put that back, you know.

[Sex Cells]

I dont see the difference between Windows 7 and 3.1

[pl8er]

While 7 may be a better version, I don't see how you can say Vista is slow. When ran on the equipment it was designed for and molded correctly it is every bit as fast as XP.

I do not feel that I need to buy new equipment with every OS release. Slow is relative to say the least (it was late, its all my brain would type LOLz) I ran this on 3 different pcs here at home and found that the current OS was still a better solution than upgrading to Vista.

On my dual-core, perhaps it could have been not vista designed, but on the quad running tons of ram and the most up-to-date video cards...it was still slow. Vista was rushed because the media pushed and the fact that it took so long to come out made them have to show something.

Honestly, if I was Steve Balmer I would have just given a big fuck you and said "look its done when it is done" but, on the business side, they made billions...so kudos to Microsoft. Not to mention they sold an OS that people will replace with a new OS that is built on the exact same core with tweaks. Hell ya, can't give them shit about their business strategy ;) Might be why they are sitting on like 40 billion in cash :laugh:

[IamDeMan]

I dont see the difference between Windows 7 and 3.1I rock workgroups on the daily.


Honestly, if I was Steve Balmer I would have just given a big fuck you and said "look its done when it is done" but, on the business side, they made billions...so kudos to Microsoft. Not to mention they sold an OS that people will replace with a new OS that is built on the exact same core with tweaks. Hell ya, can't give them shit about their business strategy ;) Might be why they are sitting on like 40 billion in cash :laugh:
It's about time they got back to their roots of constant OS versions lol. 3.1-95-98-ME were all relatively close when you compare to XPs run.

NT enjoyed a good stint before 2000 replaced it though.

I am more upset with how bastardized Office has become, instead of the OS. Navigation in the ne office had me cussing for quite a while.

[fiercetimbo17]

I love windows 7, boots super fast on my pos laptop i use for tuning.
It has like a 1.6 ghz processor and 1 gig of ram, boots in like 10 seconds. Runs very fluently too

[willyg4444]

I love windows 7, boots super fast on my pos laptop i use for tuning.
It has like a 1.6 ghz processor and 1 gig of ram, boots in like 10 seconds. Runs very fluently too

10 seconds?

[IDSkot]

Just because something cool comes out, doesn't mean it suits YOUR needs. On the same token just because some new doesn't suit YOUR needs, doesn't mean it is shit. Vista met most of its goals and brought in more account security that was needed. My only real complaint with Vista and as far as I can tell will also be my complaint on 7 is that MS still isn't bringing me the promised DB driven file system. WinFS was an initial goal for Vista and got scrapped early.
Well, when I said 'cool' it implied that it suited my needs, and that I liked the functionality of it. And I never said Vista was a complete hunk of junk. It works for most of the kids that use it. Quite well. You did point out to me that Vista was the converse of XP in the sense that XP has everything turned off, and Vista has everything turned in (in layman's.) So, this works for the average user who's just plug and play. Like, for most college students who get vista, they never complain unless I say something like, "Oh, you have Vista?" Then I guess they see it as a cue to hop the gravy train and bash it. Like I said, it took up a lot of memory just to open a window, and that, right away, turned me away from even trying it. But I'm not saying it's a bad system. Just not my cup o' tea.

[fiercetimbo17]

10 seconds?

Yea close to that, much much faster than xp or when this laptop was running vista

[Toasted1]

I seem the public beta will be opened on the 5th. I am guessing there will be some improvements over the other builds that have been floating around so I guess I will hold off and do it next weekend.

I got vista from a beta program where you let them run something on your computer, I did it on three PC's at work and got three full versions of Ultimate in the mail about 3 months later. Anyone know if they are running something like this again?

[atoz350]

I seem the public beta will be opened on the 5th. I am guessing there will be some improvements over the other builds that have been floating around so I guess I will hold off and do it next weekend.

I got vista from a beta program where you let them run something on your computer, I did it on three PC's at work and got three full versions of Ultimate in the mail about 3 months later. Anyone know if they are running something like this again?

Well the version that I'm running (7100) seems to be pretty complete.

[IamDeMan]

Well, when I said 'cool' it implied that it suited my needs, and that I liked the functionality of it. And I never said Vista was a complete hunk of junk. It works for most of the kids that use it. Quite well. You did point out to me that Vista was the converse of XP in the sense that XP has everything turned off, and Vista has everything turned in (in layman's.) So, this works for the average user who's just plug and play. Like, for most college students who get vista, they never complain unless I say something like, "Oh, you have Vista?" Then I guess they see it as a cue to hop the gravy train and bash it. Like I said, it took up a lot of memory just to open a window, and that, right away, turned me away from even trying it. But I'm not saying it's a bad system. Just not my cup o' tea.

Nothing wrong with that. Every choice should be made from individual needs and wants. Just as long as it isn't from bandwagoning. The vista was a response by MS for an OS that accomplished all media tasks out of the box for an average user with a more secure package. In that respects, I think it works. 7 will now refine the package.

[atoz350]

To the OP it'll take a bit to get it going with the correct drivers and such. Especially if you decide to use the x64 bit version. But it's worth it in the end. The speed improvements alone make this upgrade worthwhile. I formatted my drive and installed this as my only OS, but kept the Vista restore partiion in case I didn't like it. If you get everything set up properly, I doubt you'll go back to Vista.

[joetama]

Without reading through too much of this junk. Where would I locate said download of Windows 7. I've got a computer at the office that isn't used but needs reformatted and this would be a great time to try something else on it.

[IDSkot]

Nothing wrong with that. Every choice should be made from individual needs and wants. Just as long as it isn't from bandwagoning. The vista was a response by MS for an OS that accomplished all media tasks out of the box for an average user with a more secure package. In that respects, I think it works. 7 will now refine the package.

Agreed.

Without reading through too much of this junk. Where would I locate said download of Windows 7. I've got a computer at the office that isn't used but needs reformatted and this would be a great time to try something else on it.

Wait until May 5th. They're doing an official Beta release.

[willyg4444]

Just started using Windows 7 and it seems to be a bit faster than my XP setup, and has some nice features. 1 problem however is that on my laptop, the scrolling part of my mousepad doesn't work. Guess it's just a bug until the full release or something.

[atoz350]

Just started using Windows 7 and it seems to be a bit faster than my XP setup, and has some nice features. 1 problem however is that on my laptop, the scrolling part of my mousepad doesn't work. Guess it's just a bug until the full release or something.

You need to locate the driver for your touchpad. Windows will just install generic drivers to "get everything working". Its up to you to get the specific drivers to use enhanced features.

For example: After my installation, I was able to use the full resolution of my monitor as well as its true colors. However, in order Aero to work as well as my HDMI port, I needed to install my graphics card's specific driver. The great thing is that nVidia has a beta Windows 7 x64 driver that was just released. It works great and my GPU is running much cooler temps now.

[willyg4444]

You need to locate the driver for your touchpad. Windows will just install generic drivers to "get everything working". Its up to you to get the specific drivers to use enhanced features.

For example: After my installation, I was able to use the full resolution of my monitor as well as its true colors. However, in order Aero to work as well as my HDMI port, I needed to install my graphics card's specific driver. The great thing is that nVidia has a beta Windows 7 x64 driver that was just released. It works great and my GPU is running much cooler temps now.

ERGH! Rep for you my friend! I've been trying to get my 1680x1050 resolution and it's only giving me up to 1400x1050, I guess it's detecting I have 4:3 resolution or something. SO I guess I need to locate that driver as well. THANKS!

[atoz350]

ERGH! Rep for you my friend! I've been trying to get my 1680x1050 resolution and it's only giving me up to 1400x1050, I guess it's detecting I have 4:3 resolution or something. SO I guess I need to locate that driver as well. THANKS!

You're welcome. Let me know how it works out.

[dman4486]

Can you upgrade to 7 from XP yet? I was all psyched to upgrade a couple of weeks ago, then when I was going through the process it said I couldn't upgrade from XP to 7 :crap: BS

^^this is what I am waiting for...I had the same issue. I did not want to start from scratch.

now I run ubuntu and xp dual. ubuntu has AMAZING capabilities!

[willyg4444]

^^this is what I am waiting for...I had the same issue. I did not want to start from scratch.

now I run ubuntu and xp dual. ubuntu has AMAZING capabilities!

Agreed! Ubuntu is awesome, I've been using linux for a little over a year now and have been little by little learning more about the OS. I wish more people would start using linux and supporting it. Not to mention it's plenty fast and FREE.

[IDSkot]

^^this is what I am waiting for...I had the same issue. I did not want to start from scratch.

now I run ubuntu and xp dual. ubuntu has AMAZING capabilities!

I ran Mythbuntu for a while... then I gave the PC away. :crap:

I give my PCs away too much. I always manage to get a bad ass Torrent / file share box. Then I give it away to someone who needs a PC.

[IamDeMan]

^^this is what I am waiting for...I had the same issue. I did not want to start from scratch.

now I run ubuntu and xp dual. ubuntu has AMAZING capabilities!

Ubuntu is an amazing offering imo. Unfortunately, learning curves deter the masses, but I think a lot of users who do HW, surf, and maybe watch movies/videos on their machines can get away with an install of ubuntu. However they would need to learn how to use the OS and that would stop the m(asses). Repos are hearty and easy to use. I think it shows byt the fact that it became the choice of OS for a few mainstream companies offering minis.

IMO, if someone is a basic user and has no reason to game seriously, then Ubuntu is the shit.

[pl8er]

Nothing wrong with that. Every choice should be made from individual needs and wants. Just as long as it isn't from bandwagoning. The vista was a response by MS for an OS that accomplished all media tasks out of the box for an average user with a more secure package. In that respects, I think it works. 7 will now refine the package.

:clap:

Honestly, the best description of Vista I have EVER heard.

I have never come close to summing it up that easily LOL........rep? guess I'll have to go click it see, doubt it will work though.

I think the one problem though is that microsoft miscalculated the percentage of users that are "average" or has a misconception of the average computer users ability now.

[atoz350]

:clap:

Honestly, the best description of Vista I have EVER heard.

I have never come close to summing it up that easily LOL........rep? guess I'll have to go click it see, doubt it will work though.

I think the one problem though is that microsoft miscalculated the percentage of users that are "average" or has a misconception of the average computer users ability now.

I don't think they did. Working for Comcast and you'll see the intelligence level of your average computer user. Microsoft is pretty spot on....Then again, so is Apple.

[IamDeMan]

:clap:

Honestly, the best description of Vista I have EVER heard.

I have never come close to summing it up that easily LOL........rep? guess I'll have to go click it see, doubt it will work though.

I think the one problem though is that microsoft miscalculated the percentage of users that are "average" or has a misconception of the average computer users ability now.

I tend to think just the opposite. I think we as avid surfers and our large communities under-estimate the amount of people that don't have a good understanding. As big and as many communities there are of people who seem to know what they are doing is much less than than the total number of consumers. Of course neither of us knows unless some extensive sampling is done and I am too lazy.

Our varying perspectives can also be different due to age groups. I know plenty people within my age range 30-40, who I think need their right to use a PC and the internet stripped. My level of geekness was much rarer when I was in school. However, people just 5 years or more younger than me, grew up where this level of computer use became increasingly common. So you may just interact with more friends and acquaintances in your age group that know enough.

It is hard to say for sure, which view would be more accurate, but that doesn't detract from whether MS did meet design goals for Vista. My fvorite use for it is as HTPC. the version of media center in vista is a lot better than the first attempts. I like it better than Myth too. It works easy enough so that I can put it in the entertainment center and not worry about the wife bugging me about how to work it :hilarious:

[pl8er]

I tend to think just the opposite. I think we as avid surfers and our large communities under-estimate the amount of people that don't have a good understanding. As big and as many communities there are of people who seem to know what they are doing is much less than than the total number of consumers. Of course neither of us knows unless some extensive sampling is done and I am too lazy.

Our varying perspectives can also be different due to age groups. I know plenty people within my age range 30-40, who I think need their right to use a PC and the internet stripped. My level of geekness was much rarer when I was in school. However, people just 5 years or more younger than me, grew up where this level of computer use became increasingly common. So you may just interact with more friends and acquaintances in your age group that know enough.

It is hard to say for sure, which view would be more accurate, but that doesn't detract from whether MS did meet design goals for Vista. My fvorite use for it is as HTPC. the version of media center in vista is a lot better than the first attempts. I like it better than Myth too. It works easy enough so that I can put it in the entertainment center and not worry about the wife bugging me about how to work it :hilarious:

Yes, age is going to be a big factor. After reading your post I'm sitting here thinking about it and NO one knows anything about computers that I know :laugh:.

I was going to write a witty comment about only surrounding myself with intelligent people but honestly thinking about it I do EVERYTHING for everyone on pcs. I have teamviewer loaded as a service so I can make changes and updates at my convenience, write scripts and load backups remotely for everyone.

[KGC]

i <3 os x :sneaky:

[atoz350]

i <3 os x :sneaky:

That's because you are not aware of what a real OS feels like.

Edit: 100th post!!

For this: here is a screenshot:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee97/atoz350/Se7enDesktop2.png

[fiercetimbo17]

Im still running the build version, is it officially out yet?

[atoz350]

Im still running the build version, is it officially out yet?

Which build? No its not out yet. I'm running build 7100 Release Candidate 1 seen above your post.

[fiercetimbo17]

O ok, i have 7000 build so im guess im not too far behind

[Toasted1]

Well I got what drivers I could for my PC and I am installing the RC release now.. I know it only stays active until June next year I believe but I should have a legit serial by then or be back to Vista.

I also looked up the Netbook and it seems to be working great right out of the box with 7.

[Toasted1]

Without reading through too much of this junk. Where would I locate said download of Windows 7. I've got a computer at the office that isn't used but needs reformatted and this would be a great time to try something else on it.

I don't know if you already found it because beta was closed at the time you posted this but the RC is up and available, it also downloaded very fast I was getting about 3.5meg/sec.

[MOT]

let me know how this turns out. I'm not a big fan of vista simply because i dont like the layout, and windows xp or server 2000 work great for what i need. I'd be curious to see how this compares to xp or server 2k

[Toasted1]

So far I find it very Vista'ish. I like it though does seem faster but it had also been 12 months since I reimaged my PC so that probably had a lot to do with it also.

For some reason Vista started acting a little funny on me when I installed the beta of firefox and I had issue with FF and the OS itself after that so something must have gotten fucked in the registry.

My video card had beta drivers for 7 which seem to be working great and everything else I have tried thus far works great.

[atoz350]

I agree. The layout is very similar to Vista, however the new taskbar just seems more efficient. Being that it is a beta, I do get an occasional hang, and the "libraries" feature is starting to bother me. I just have to take the time to set it all up properly. Alot of Vista tweaks work in 7, and have sped it up even more.

One thing I've noticed is that my laptop comes with an nVidia 8400m GS video card. Watching Youtube videos, or even DVDs resulted in very choppy video, or slowing down and crashing (BSOD), plus lots of heat. Reading through forums, I found various BIOS updates that helped a little, but didn't completely solve the issues. After upgrading to 7 and using the beta nVidia driver, I now have not had a BSOD, my GPU is running much lower temps, and the video is smooth as hell. It's now living up to its purpose.

[chardy85]

I used 7 for a little while when they first released the beta. It ran great on my machine but I had pretty decent parts. Dual Core 2.5, 4gb ram, 8600gt....

But one of my buddy's that is also in IT said he ran it on his wife's laptop which is like 550mhz P3 and he said it ran fine on it!

[bigtoyota479]

Ya, Windows 7 is the shit. I've been running it since the day the Beta was released, and now I'm on the RC version. It's a bit touchy with ISO mounting programs and some of my game emulators, but a little slapping and it works fine. It's everything Vista should have been.

My system is a Quad core with 4 G of ram, and it runs awesome. Boot time is about 10 seconds to the login page. I haven't used my Vista install since the beta was released, if that tells you anything, nor have I used my XP install. It's just, that, good.

[willyg4444]

Ya, Windows 7 is the shit. I've been running it since the day the Beta was released, and now I'm on the RC version. It's a bit touchy with ISO mounting programs and some of my game emulators, but a little slapping and it works fine. It's everything Vista should have been.

My system is a Quad core with 4 G of ram, and it runs awesome. Boot time is about 10 seconds to the login page. I haven't used my Vista install since the beta was released, if that tells you anything, nor have I used my XP install. It's just, that, good.

Damn I'm running it on 1.5 gigs right now and it doesn't slouch at all for me... I imagine it would run beautifully on 4 gigs.. time for a new lappy!

[bigtoyota479]

It does run beautifully on 4 gigs. Keep in mind, though, that the more ram you have, the more it will use. People equate this as BAD, but in reality, it's what keeps your system running speedy as hell. My stock setup without all my background shit running uses about 1-1.25 gigs. The way it sits now, I'm using about 2-2.5 gigs.

I mean seriously, what the fuck is the point of having 4 gigs of ram if your PC only ever uses 1? People who bitch about RAM useage need to be shot in the head.

[Sex Cells]

Some people use programs like Photoshop that need the ram, faggot.

[bigtoyota479]

See? You need to be shot in the head to put us out of your misery.

[ragar31]

it seemed to me that 2007 was just vista with some new features and bugs fixed. I think it will be stable enough that alot of companies will switch to it although its still going to be a problem with older software. 2008 server though is completely kick ass. WindowsCore += awsome(win, bj);

[bigtoyota479]

What kind of older software? I've been able to get damned near almost anything to run on Windows 7.

Also, MS has a beta out for some more neato software. It's called XPM, and it's a MS produced XP virtual machine designed specifically for Windows 7. There's a free beta out there right now for it, so you may want to check it out if you're having issues with older software. Unfortunately the final release version of XPM will only be available with Win 7 Pro and Ultimate, but at least it will be free.

[ragar31]

Well one of the main problems why we cant go to vista at work is because of some of the ERP systems we run. We would have to upgrade the whole system which costs tons of money and also third party addon's and utilities.f

I do like how windows 7 will come with a free xp virtual machine but to me that seems kind of like a huge work around rather then a fix.

[bigtoyota479]

Well, at least MS is giving you something this go around, instead of leaving you high and dry like Vista.

Eventually, you'll have to upgrade anyway. Software changes, and Vista/Win 7 is a huge change over XP, as far as ditching DOS goes.

[ragar31]

two of the guys I work with run vista but they have to use a xp virtual machine to do a bunch of shit. Kinda funny. 7 has powershell instead of dos which if way powerfull.

[Spider Monkey]

Here is an idea.

Upgrading beyond XP is just plain retarded in business application because there is no need ATM. Won't be for years to come. Business will leap Vista and go to W7, maybe. Maybe in 2010...


Course if that douche bag Jmac is in here he will say I'm wrong like I was about Vista getting replaced so soon, but what the fuck do I know?

[ragar31]

Yea, who cares if microsoft dosn't support xp anymore. Who the fuck calls them anyways for XP support.

[Spider Monkey]

Yea, who cares if microsoft dosn't support xp anymore. Who the fuck calls them anyways for XP support.

UH. What?

[ragar31]

There going to stop supporting XP soon. I dont know the exact date. Probally after 2007 comes out. Just like they don't support 2000 anymore.

[Spider Monkey]

There going to stop supporting XP soon. I dont know the exact date. Probally after 2007 comes out. Just like they don't support 2000 anymore.

There is no Windows 2007 OS. Are you retarded or just talking out of your ass?

[ragar31]

errr sorry i ment windows 7, you know what the fuck i ment

[bigtoyota479]

They're going to quit supporting it soon. Didn't you hear?

[Spider Monkey]

errr sorry i ment windows 7, you know what the fuck i ment

Yea, I read what you meant. Type slower if your hands cannot keep up with your brain.

[Spider Monkey]

They're going to quit supporting it soon. Didn't you hear?

Yea. A couple years ago. :laugh:

[bigtoyota479]

Sometimes it's not a matter of the brain keeping up with the hands. Sometimes there is a complete and total disconnect. Trust me, I know.

[bigtoyota479]

Yea. A couple years ago. :laugh:

inorite

[ragar31]

On 14 April 2009, Windows XP and its family of operating systems were moved from Mainstream Support to the Extended Support phase as it marks the progression of the legacy operating system through the Microsoft Support Lifecycle Policy. During the Extended Support Phase, Microsoft will continue to provide security updates every month for Windows XP, however free technical support, warranty claims and design changes are no longer being offered.

On 8 April 2014, all Windows XP support, including security updates and security-related hotfixes will be terminated.[2]

[ragar31]

That came from wickopedia.... everything on there is 100% true

[bigtoyota479]

Yeah, and that's also 5 years from now. Something better than Windows 7 will be out by then.

[Spider Monkey]

On 14 April 2009, Windows XP and its family of operating systems were moved from Mainstream Support to the Extended Support phase as it marks the progression of the legacy operating system through the Microsoft Support Lifecycle Policy. During the Extended Support Phase, Microsoft will continue to provide security updates every month for Windows XP, however free technical support, warranty claims and design changes are no longer being offered.

On 8 April 2014, all Windows XP support, including security updates and security-related hotfixes will be terminated.[2]


Fucking awesome. So you not only proved my point but you extended it by 4 years.

Do you cry in the corner with the lights off at night?



























Because I think you should.

[ragar31]

I thought it was before then but I guess not.

[Spider Monkey]

I thought it was before then but I guess not.

There is no shame in telling me that I am right. Everyone has to eventually.

[pl8er]

There is no shame in telling me that I am right. Everyone has to eventually.

Actually, I've seen him crying holding a toilet once ;) Of course that was after he took down 3 or 4 bongs, some opium and 3/4 of a bottle of apple pucker....lol

he also once died and Jesus gave him his heart back.

[IamDeMan]

I would move from XP to Vista/7 in a business atmosphere if the budget supported it. I see no reason to hold onto xp/2003 networks. I enjoy the route it is taking. Of course it is all relative though. In small businesses this simply wouldn't be in the budget, especially right now. However, I would slowly move as needed or can and use work arounds to keep legacy apps working. Why wait until YOU HAVE TO? XP is friggin 8 years old. As far as OS go, that is fucking ancient.

So I agree and disagree with monkey. If the budget has no room, then moving to it makes 0 sense, but if the headroom is in the budget then there are deals to be had switching now and dealijg with workarounds and virtual machines.

[ragar31]

They may support it that long but there going to stop selling it very soon. I don't feel like looking up the exact date. But if you cant buy it then in a business environment where you should use hacked copies, your kind of screwed.

[Spider Monkey]

I would move from XP to Vista/7 in a business atmosphere if the budget supported it. I see no reason to hold onto xp/2003 networks. I enjoy the route it is taking. Of course it is all relative though. In small businesses this simply wouldn't be in the budget, especially right now. However, I would slowly move as needed or can and use work arounds to keep legacy apps working. Why wait until YOU HAVE TO? XP is friggin 8 years old. As far as OS go, that is fucking ancient.

So I agree and disagree with monkey. If the budget has no room, then moving to it makes 0 sense, but if the headroom is in the budget then there are deals to be had switching now and dealijg with workarounds and virtual machines.


Its not about the budget, it is about compatibility issues in the B2B environment. If you're going to upgrade your OS, you're damn sure gonna upgrade your Office suite. Explaining to people still on O2003 how to open your O2007 documents is a fucking bitch. And everyone is still on O2003. :crap:

[ragar31]

Going from O2003 to 2007 is so diffrent. Its going to be hell to support for awhile.

[pl8er]

Going from O2003 to 2007 is so diffrent. Its going to be hell to support for awhile.

Script the compatibility pack to load on boot-up for 2003 and it wouldn't matter if they are running 03 or 07.

Script would be something like:

Which office program? If office = 03 then install pack, if pack file is there do nothing if not install. *shrug*

[IamDeMan]

Its not about the budget, it is about compatibility issues in the B2B environment. If you're going to upgrade your OS, you're damn sure gonna upgrade your Office suite. Explaining to people still on O2003 how to open your O2007 documents is a fucking bitch. And everyone is still on O2003. :crap:

I have adjusted. If the morons can't then tell em to fuck off.

BTW, You can save all your docs in the 03 extension and formatting to avoid that. I still see no reason. Plenty of workarounds and ways to avoid compatibility issues and you are ready for what's ahead. However, if 7 is anywhere near being close, then it may be wise to wait for it. I just hate companies that really wait way too long to make moves.

[pl8er]

I have adjusted. If the morons can't then tell em to fuck off.

BTW, You can save all your docs in the 03 extension and formatting to avoid that. I still see no reason. Plenty of workarounds and ways to avoid compatibility issues and you are ready for what's ahead. However, if 7 is anywhere near being close, then it may be wise to wait for it. I just hate companies that really wait way too long to make moves.

True, but you can just install the compatibility pack if you are still using 2003 and just forget about it.

[Spider Monkey]

I have adjusted. If the morons can't then tell em to fuck off.

BTW, You can save all your docs in the 03 extension and formatting to avoid that. I still see no reason. Plenty of workarounds and ways to avoid compatibility issues and you are ready for what's ahead. However, if 7 is anywhere near being close, then it may be wise to wait for it. I just hate companies that really wait way too long to make moves.

True, but you can just install the compatibility pack if you are still using 2003 and just forget about it.

Yea. Easier said than done guys. Pushing to 400 different companies and some of them not even having an IT staff to decipher "download this" isn't easy.


The B2B is still on 2003 and will be there for years to come due to this apparently shitty economy. I say apparently because I've never made so much money in my life.

[pl8er]

Yea. Easier said than done guys. Pushing to 400 different companies and some of them not even having an IT staff to decipher "download this" isn't easy.


The B2B is still on 2003 and will be there for years to come due to this apparently shitty economy. I say apparently because I've never made so much money in my life.

I guess I don't understand the role you play. If I.T. needs something done at our place to all machines, they just install a script to load it from a default location.

[Spider Monkey]

I guess I don't understand the role you play.

Picture a world where you cater to the masses. You get to invent shit out of nothing. No one can spend anything,

That is what I do.

[pl8er]

Picture a world where you cater to the masses. You get to invent shit out of nothing. No one can spend anything,

That is what I do.

Well better get to work on a mass distribution tool to send out scripts from you. Make the world easier on you, and tell them its really really hard to keep those pockets full of dough ;)

[IamDeMan]

True, but you can just install the compatibility pack if you are still using 2003 and just forget about it.

Even better.

[IamDeMan]

Yea. Easier said than done guys. Pushing to 400 different companies and some of them not even having an IT staff to decipher "download this" isn't easy.


The B2B is still on 2003 and will be there for years to come due to this apparently shitty economy. I say apparently because I've never made so much money in my life.

No need to push if you make it policy in the company to save any docs meant for external use be saved in older extensions and formats. No worry for outside company compatibility.

[IamDeMan]

Staying behind the curve too long can be even more dertrimental than the picture you are painting imo.

[ragar31]

The compatibilty pack dosnt work with access though. Just FYI

[IamDeMan]

The compatibilty pack dosnt work with access though. Just FYI

Access is the last thing on SMs mind, I can assure that, but I wasn't aware of this.

[willyg4444]

Anyone running Windows 7 on a netbook? I'm thinking of putting it on my Acer Aspire One. Not sure if I should wait until they release a slimmer netbook version... I thought there were talks of that somewhere.

[atoz350]

Anyone running Windows 7 on a netbook? I'm thinking of putting it on my Acer Aspire One. Not sure if I should wait until they release a slimmer netbook version... I thought there were talks of that somewhere.

I tried it on my Asus eeePC. It runs fine, but is pretty useless without aero effects. Took it off and put XP back on.

[Spider Monkey]

No need to push if you make it policy in the company to save any docs meant for external use be saved in older extensions and formats. No worry for outside company compatibility.
Nga plz. My peeps don't even know how to browse the shared drive. A policy like that would be laughed at.
The compatibilty pack dosnt work with access though. Just FYI


The fuck you talkin bout? ACCESS is a gay fucking app for gay fucking faggots. Biggest piece of shit ever.

[MrBones]

Anyone running Windows 7 on a netbook? I'm thinking of putting it on my Acer Aspire One. Not sure if I should wait until they release a slimmer netbook version... I thought there were talks of that somewhere.

runs fine on my MSI Wind Netbook