Why don't you do bad things?

[joetama]

Another thread got me thinking about this. IT is something I've always wondered. Why don't people do bad things? Is it because of the moral boundaries we've set for ourselves or is it because there are negative consistences to those actions.

For example, speeding. I think that most people don't drive 100 miles per hour in a 25 because of the law. A fear of getting a ticket, getting arrested, being sent to jail all stops people from doing certain things. I think speeding is cut and dry. But, what about something like murder. Do you not do it because of the moral implantation and boundaries or because of the law and the risk of being caught and being sent to prison. Somethings are very clear but others aren't. What about jail bate girls? If there was no law making it illegal would you go around banging hot 12 year olds?

So, discuss. I'm interested to hear other people's opinions on this.

[wasted ink]

Another thread got me thinking about this. IT is something I've always wondered. Why don't people do bad things? Is it because of the moral boundaries we've set for ourselves or is it because there are negative consistences to those actions.

For example, speeding. I think that most people don't drive 100 miles per hour in a 25 because of the law. A fear of getting a ticket, getting arrested, being sent to jail all stops people from doing certain things. I think speeding is cut and dry. But, what about something like murder. Do you not do it because of the moral implantation and boundaries or because of the law and the risk of being caught and being sent to prison. Somethings are very clear but others aren't. What about jail bate girls? If there was no law making it illegal would you go around banging hot 12 year olds?

So, discuss. I'm interested to hear other people's opinions on this.

Pics?

[joetama]

No pics...

[tapout]

Murder is on my to do list.

Still thinking about how I can get away with it. I look too good for prison.

[natisfynest]

tis a good question for which i have no answer

[joetama]

Murder is on my to do list.

Still thinking about how I can get away with it. I look too good for prison.

So the want to experience killing someone is greater than the fear of the law and the rule of the societies morals?

[Roadtrippin']

A combination of things.

Oh, and you can legislate "morality.":fyi:

[tapout]

So the want to experience killing someone is greater than the fear of the law and the rule of the societies morals?

No, the fear of prison is greater than the need to kill. Right now. There are things that could happen that would change that.

[joetama]

tis a good question for which i have no answer

I know... It is bothering me that I don't have an answer either.

A combination of things.

Oh, and you can legislate "morality.":fyi:

Obviously you can't legislate morality.


But, I've always learned ever since I was a little kid that there is a clear cut line between right and wrong. Good and evil. But, when you think about this there is not such thing as right and wrong, good or evil, it is all in the eye of the beholder.

[farmerehsan]

im afraid of god... also as stated morality,

murder is wrong,
messing with 12 year old girls is wrong ( when ur over 20), if ur like like 15 its okay...u get the idea

[wasted ink]

I'm going to have to put some thought into this tonight after a few car bombs.

BTW, nice title. Do you know him?

http://drblues.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/geico-caveman-lg.jpg



:p:p

[joetama]

No, the fear of prison is greater than the need to kill. Right now. There are things that could happen that would change that.

Remind me to never piss you off.


But I hear what you are saying.

[Spider Monkey]

Because of the consequences.
If there was no law making it illegal would you go around banging hot 12 year olds?


Dur. Of course. But only if they were hot. No fatties.

[Roadtrippin']

I know... It is bothering me that I don't have an answer either.



Obviously you can't legislate morality.



Yes you can, damnit.

[Spider Monkey]

I'm going to have to put some thought into this tonight after a few car bombs.

BTW, nice title. Do you know him?

http://drblues.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/geico-caveman-lg.jpg



:p:p

What you talkin bout. :P

[farmerehsan]

child molester should get cut into peices ....they are wrong.

i have train horns...so do other ppl...they would go aaround at night blasting them and dont care... i couldnt do that...why because im afrad what god might say when i die...
same shit with stealing, and fucking something up as in vandalism

[wasted ink]

What you talkin bout. :P

Ninja monkey.

[joetama]

im afraid of god... also as stated morality,

murder is wrong,
messing with 12 year old girls is wrong ( when ur over 20), if ur like like 15 its okay...u get the idea

Really? Why are you afraid of god? Has he ever come down and stopped you from doing something?

Who says messing with a 12 year old is wrong? 100s of years ago it would have been typically normal for a 30-50 year old knight to take a 15 year old girl as his bride. So, a 15 year old girl in 1400 is different than a 15 year old girl in 2009? What changed?

I'm going to have to put some thought into this tonight after a few car bombs.

BTW, nice title. Do you know him?

http://drblues.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/geico-caveman-lg.jpg



:p:p

Why don't you do bad things?

Better jackass. I forgot an "S".

Oh and yes he is a second cousin or something.

[Spider Monkey]

Ninja monkey.

RAWR

[joetama]

Yes you can, damnit.

Well yes you can.

But, now you can't, and be fair to everyone under the law. ;)

[Roadtrippin']

Really? Why are you afraid of god? Has he ever come down and stopped you from doing something?

Who says messing with a 12 year old is wrong? 100s of years ago it would have been typically normal for a 30-50 year old knight to take a 15 year old girl as his bride. So, a 15 year old girl in 1400 is different than a 15 year old girl in 2009? What changed?


legislation, you British are stubborn.

[tappin_azz]

the only two things that have ever stopped me from doing anything are apathy and laziness. if those dont come into factor, then im game.

dont matter if im giving an old guy the beatdown, running up a cops credit card or stealing from my grandma.

[farmerehsan]

Really? Why are you afraid of god? Has he ever come down and stopped you from doing something?

Who says messing with a 12 year old is wrong? 100s of years ago it would have been typically normal for a 30-50 year old knight to take a 15 year old girl as his bride. So, a 15 year old girl in 1400 is different than a 15 year old girl in 2009? What changed?



im afraid of god cuz my religion makes me afraid of it.. let me correct myself i should no say afraid but, believe and have respect ? but still afraid of what the ending is going to be..... BASICALLY consequnces as stated earlier, you think about what happends at the end and it makes u think

[wasted ink]

Why don't you do bad things?

Better jackass. I forgot an "S".

Oh and yes he is a second cousin or something.

:laugh:

[wasted ink]

im afraid of god cuz my religion makes me afraid of it.. let me correct myself i should no say afraid but, believe and have respect ? but still afraid of what the ending is going to be..... BASICALLY consequnces as stated earlier, you think about what happends at the end and it makes u think

That's why I started studying different religions once I was old enough to understand it. I don't like the thought of having to fear my god.

Also, fear does not = respect.

[farmerehsan]

That's why I started studying different religions once I was old enough to understand it. I don't like the thought of having to fear my god.

Also, fear does not = respect.

thats why i had a question mark at teh end...i dont know how to say it..but do u get the idea of what i mean ?

[joetama]

im afraid of god cuz my religion makes me afraid of it.. let me correct myself i should no say afraid but, believe and have respect ? but still afraid of what the ending is going to be..... BASICALLY consequnces as stated earlier, you think about what happends at the end and it makes u think

What religion are you?

I was raised Catholic. Went to religion classes, first communion, regularly went to confession, but cracks began to form in my faith in the catholic church as I got older. I think very logically, so when I tried to make the catholic church make sense logically I couldn't. When I asked my parents, priests, teachers of the religion classes they just told me I had to have faith. But, faith in what? God, the church? So being into history I started reading and reading and reading. I later came to the conclusion that organized religion in almost all forms is a control devices. For example, I dated a girl when I was in high school that was super religious. When I finally got her to make out she would stop all of a sudden and sit there for a good 20 minutes not saying anything. After finally getting her to talk about it she said she felt guilty. This girl would LITERALLY shutdown and be miserable because of kissing someone. For feeling affection from someone that guilt would control her. So why would god give us free will, give us passion, feeling, drive and then say we can't use any of it other than to serve him. Has god ever talked to you? He hasn't talked to me. So why did he talk to some guys 2000 years ago but not us? I don't think he talked to those guys 2000 years ago. I think they were unhappy with what the Jewish faith was letting the Romans do to them so the made up a few things to get people to believe them.

I didn't want to make this into a religious argument, but I do want to share my opinions.

That's why I started studying different religions once I was old enough to understand it. I don't like the thought of having to fear my god.

Also, fear does not = respect.

Fear never = respect. Guilt never = respect. Respect is earned, faith is not.

[wasted ink]

thats why i had a question mark at teh end...i dont know how to say it..but do u get the idea of what i mean ?

I know exactly what you mean.

Fear never = respect. Guilt never = respect. Respect is earned, faith is not.

Truth!

[Spider Monkey]

I would rather someone fear me than respect me.

[Rashaddd]

Circumstances can easily change whether someone fears you or not. Respect can only be lost by you doing something to lose it, and even then, respect is inclined to being kept.

[sks_lex]

Only the fear of being locked up stops me from doing anything. Though I would never rape, or harm children.

[Spider Monkey]

Circumstances can easily change whether someone fears you or not. Respect can only be lost by you doing something to lose it, and even then, respect is inclined to being kept.

That's not true. People can lose respect for you my no actions of your own.

[Spider Monkey]

Though I would never rape a ham or chicken.

At first glance this is what I read. :laugh:

[sks_lex]

At first glance this is what I read. :laugh:

haha thats great

[farmerehsan]

What religion are you?

I was raised Catholic. Went to religion classes, first communion, regularly went to confession, but cracks began to form in my faith in the catholic church as I got older. I think very logically, so when I tried to make the catholic church make sense logically I couldn't. When I asked my parents, priests, teachers of the religion classes they just told me I had to have faith. But, faith in what? God, the church? So being into history I started reading and reading and reading. I later came to the conclusion that organized religion in almost all forms is a control devices. For example, I dated a girl when I was in high school that was super religious. When I finally got her to make out she would stop all of a sudden and sit there for a good 20 minutes not saying anything. After finally getting her to talk about it she said she felt guilty. This girl would LITERALLY shutdown and be miserable because of kissing someone. For feeling affection from someone that guilt would control her. So why would god give us free will, give us passion, feeling, drive and then say we can't use any of it other than to serve him. Has god ever talked to you? He hasn't talked to me. So why did he talk to some guys 2000 years ago but not us? I don't think he talked to those guys 2000 years ago. I think they were unhappy with what the Jewish faith was letting the Romans do to them so the made up a few things to get people to believe them.

I didn't want to make this into a religious argument, but I do want to share my opinions.




opinions are good. im muslim.... however i went to a christian school for 2 years cuz it was private.. i already knew everything u kno why? cuz its all the same...the only thing that is different is who we believe in.

and by everything i meant that basics of religion.. did u kno ur not supposed to drink? but u wait until ur 21 then u can? thats what ppl think... ur not supposed to have sex before marriage. storires of abraham stories of adam and eve...

EVERYTHING IS THE SAME!!!! everyone gots their own opionion but being raised muslim i fear the consequnces,,,,,, ;/

[Roadtrippin']

opinions are good. im muslim.... however i went to a christian school for 2 years cuz it was private.. i already knew everything u kno why? cuz its all the same...the only thing that is different is who we believe in.

and by everything i meant that basics of religion.. did u kno ur not supposed to drink? but u wait until ur 21 then u can? thats what ppl think... ur not supposed to have sex before marriage. storires of abraham stories of adam and eve...

EVERYTHING IS THE SAME!!!! everyone gots their own opionion but being raised muslim i fear the consequnces,,,,,, ;/

We already have one of you here. I think we are going to need to discuss this situation. I don't want this place to turn into some kind of haven for teh terror.

[farmerehsan]

im being for real on this one...

[Roadtrippin']

Circumstances can easily change whether someone fears you or not. Respect can only be lost by you doing something to lose it, and even then, respect is inclined to being kept.

I think respect is easier lost than fear.

[farmerehsan]

what religion r u

[Roadtrippin']

im being for real on this one...

What? I believe you are Muslim.

[farmerehsan]

i didnt say u didnt htink i was...no joking comments on it

[Roadtrippin']

what religion r u

I am not actually a religion, but you can worship me if you like.

[Roadtrippin']

i didnt say u didnt htink i was...no joking comments on it

Why not?

[farmerehsan]

cuz i was tryin to be serious about this topic lol..other times idc.. i was asking what religion do u believe in

[pl8er]

It really depends on the situation but I think that it is just weighing pro/con against things. For instance, driving 100 in a 25 isn't so fun that it is worth the possibility of a ticket. If 100mph was REALLY fun you would most likely do it and risk the ticket because the cost of the ticket and the consequences is less than the total pleasure you get from the speed.

Yep, i'm in econ right now :P

[Roadtrippin']

cuz i was tryin to be serious about this topic lol..other times idc.. i was asking what religion do u believe in

I am a Christian, but I have not been on a Crusade yet. Well, unless you count the first Gulf War.

[pl8er]

I believe that we all have a built in knowledge of right and wrong. Some of these things we add due to the society we live in and are not socially acceptable.

[farmerehsan]

I am a Christian, but I have not been on a Crusade yet. Well, unless you count the first Gulf War.

i can guarentee u almost everything between our religions is the same....and then i sometimes wonder why theres this hate between these religions lol..dont make sense

[pl8er]

Sorry, I didn't read back. Which religion are you?

found it...nm.

Yes, I had a large group of guys working for me there are/were Muslim. I would agree that there are many similarities. But Muslims really stick to their religion much more than Christians. I don't want to say Christians are lazy, but we just do not find happiness in our faith like Muslims do.

[Spider Monkey]

I am a Christian, but I have not been on a Crusade yet. Well, unless you count the first Gulf War.
LOLZ
i can guarentee u almost everything between our religions is the same....and then i sometimes wonder why theres this hate between these religions lol..dont make sense

Wait, what is your religion?

[pl8er]

Why does my mind read your name as NastyNate? LOL

[tapout]

j00 got teh fantasies about nastynate?

[pl8er]

NO!

NOOOO!

NOO Nasty Nate NOOO! 6 6 6 Mark of the BEAST! Devil man!! Naughty Jungle of Love!

[farmerehsan]

muslim and christianity

[Spider Monkey]

You can't be a muslim and a christian.

[farmerehsan]

who said that?

i was sayin the 2 religions are nearly the same...just one or 2 differences i

[pl8er]

who said that?

i was sayin the 2 religions are nearly the same...just one or 2 differences i

tad more than one or 2......daily prayer, Ramadhan, multiple wives, no pork, different bible.

Yeah the core is the same, but I believe all religions work off the same basic principals. Do little harm to others and yourself.

[Roadtrippin']

i can guarentee u almost everything between our religions is the same....and then i sometimes wonder why theres this hate between these religions lol..dont make sense

I think it has something to do with the fact that many who follow your religion believe that Allah wants you to kill all those who follow my religion. That seems to be a rough spot in our relationship.

[Roadtrippin']

I don't see why you fuckers just can't give us the oil. We'll let you keep the sand.

[Spider Monkey]

And the heat

[pl8er]

I think it has something to do with the fact that many who follow your religion believe that Allah wants you to kill all those who follow my religion. That seems to be a rough spot in our relationship.

You are looking at the extremist. I've never met a single Muslim who was anti-Christian.

Look at it from a Muslim's side and we have had some seriously deranged Christians too.

[natisfynest]

and driving on 2 wheels

[farmerehsan]

I think it has something to do with the fact that many who follow your religion believe that Allah wants you to kill all those who follow my religion. That seems to be a rough spot in our relationship.

lol statments like this just shows theirs no point in talking about it lol

[Roadtrippin']

You are looking at the extremist. I've never met a single Muslim who was anti-Christian.

Look at it from a Muslim's side and we have had some seriously deranged Christians too.

It's all about numbers. Yeah, we have a handfull of assholes who believe all kinds of shit.

These Muslim "extremists" represent a signifcant number of people, and the "average" Muslim just puts up with their shit and, when push comes to shove, sides with the whacko's.

I want to be friends, but they wont let me.

[farmerehsan]

It's all about numbers. Yeah, we have a handfull of assholes who believe all kinds of shit.

These Muslim "extremists" represent a signifcant number of people, and the "average" Muslim just puts up with their shit and, when push comes to shove, sides with the whacko's.

I want to be friends, but they wont let me.

lolz

[farmerehsan]

you are right tho its the extrimist that do fuck it up... one day itll be all good


hah

[Roadtrippin']

lolz

Okay, so what efforts do you and those around you make to tell these guys to quit killing in the name of your religion?

Do you even have a ban button?

[farmerehsan]

its hard..they kno their not suppose to...but dumbasses do.. u got that kinda shit in every religion...

....ur not sayin ur gonna ban me r u lol?

[farmerehsan]

im outta here for today.,talk to yall prob tommrow..

[Spider Monkey]

Not me. Won't be here.

Better have more no0ds for me come Monday.

[joetama]

opinions are good. im muslim.... however i went to a christian school for 2 years cuz it was private.. i already knew everything u kno why? cuz its all the same...the only thing that is different is who we believe in.

and by everything i meant that basics of religion.. did u kno ur not supposed to drink? but u wait until ur 21 then u can? thats what ppl think... ur not supposed to have sex before marriage. storires of abraham stories of adam and eve...

EVERYTHING IS THE SAME!!!! everyone gots their own opionion but being raised muslim i fear the consequnces,,,,,, ;/

You guys have pretty severe consiqences eh?

What was weird about being raised catholic is you can do ANYTHING. You just have to ask for forgiveness. What loophole.

i can guarentee u almost everything between our religions is the same....and then i sometimes wonder why theres this hate between these religions lol..dont make sense

I dated a girl who was Hindu for a while. I was actually surprised by the similarities. Make their 3 main gods one god (father, son, holy ghost) and the rest profits/saints and you essentially have the catholic structure.


Always thought it was weird.

who said that?

i was sayin the 2 religions are nearly the same...just one or 2 differences i

Truth.

you are right tho its the extrimist that do fuck it up... one day itll be all good


hah

Well we have Muslim, Christian, Jewish, and atheist extremists etc etc.

There will always be people willing to kill and die for their faith. I wish there was a religion that taught the things my greatgrandmother always said. Everything in moderation.

Not me. Won't be here.

Better have more no0ds for me come Monday.

LAWL... It is always about the no0ds with you.

[Kevorkian]

You know, I don't know what has stopped me from just raping hot chicks. I guess I haven't worked up the nerve yet.

[joetama]

You know, I don't know what has stopped me from just raping hot chicks. I guess I haven't worked up the nerve yet.

Oh? :bj2:

[Kevorkian]

I don't even know how to rape that is the sad part. Do I just go up a female brandishing a gun and ask her if she would like to have intercourse with me? I mean asking, means she has a choice.

[Spider Monkey]

LAWL... It is always about the no0ds with you.

They entertain me more than talking about make believe shit.

[Kevorkian]

Oh snap, I didn't realize there was a Muslim in the thread. They know all about raping and pillaging.

[IDSkot]

Another thread got me thinking about this. IT is something I've always wondered. Why don't people do bad things? Is it because of the moral boundaries we've set for ourselves or is it because there are negative consistences to those actions.

For example, speeding. I think that most people don't drive 100 miles per hour in a 25 because of the law. A fear of getting a ticket, getting arrested, being sent to jail all stops people from doing certain things. I think speeding is cut and dry. But, what about something like murder. Do you not do it because of the moral implantation and boundaries or because of the law and the risk of being caught and being sent to prison. Somethings are very clear but others aren't. What about jail bate girls? If there was no law making it illegal would you go around banging hot 12 year olds?

So, discuss. I'm interested to hear other people's opinions on this.


The law must come into question. What is law? It's supposed to be the generalized moral of society. The guidelines of morality, as per suits' ideals. Some laws make sense, some don't. But, in essence, a law is supposed to be followed to the T, with everything outside of such to be left to a personal standpoint. This is where government comes in. The ideal behind it is that people must be governed, because, as it's said, "People don't know what they need." It's off the principal that since there is no strong fist, people will be chaotic. Hence where the popular idea of 'Anarchy' comes in. The concept of Anarchy has been around since the hay-days of the ancient Roman Empire, where it was first construed (or, in some cases conceived as treason.)
But, I was digressing. There's an inherit fear of police, and the law. Even laws that most of the populace don't believe in (See marijuana usage.) are still construed as taboo, and viewed as 'dangerous' even though the good portion of the populace don't see any harm in it (also many studies have shown the same.)

Now it just seems like I'm rambling. I personally do what I find morally acceptable. I go the speed limit because I think it's reasonable. I do fear the police due to the fact that they CAN and WILL ruin my life. But, I don't think that's a productive way of making sure the society doesn't crumble. I think people are raised to just follow the laws of many, rather than self-governing.

[IamDeMan]

Another thread got me thinking about this. IT is something I've always wondered. Why don't people do bad things? Is it because of the moral boundaries we've set for ourselves or is it because there are negative consistences to those actions.

For example, speeding. I think that most people don't drive 100 miles per hour in a 25 because of the law. A fear of getting a ticket, getting arrested, being sent to jail all stops people from doing certain things. I think speeding is cut and dry. But, what about something like murder. Do you not do it because of the moral implantation and boundaries or because of the law and the risk of being caught and being sent to prison. Somethings are very clear but others aren't. What about jail bate girls? If there was no law making it illegal would you go around banging hot 12 year olds?

So, discuss. I'm interested to hear other people's opinions on this.
It really depends imo. When it comes to examples like speeding, I agree it is mostly Egoism that is applied. However for issues like banging 12 year olds, I think most would chose based on Deontology. Of course you will always have you sick fucks as you do now, no matter what the laws.

[IDSkot]

Also, I believe religion was made with the same idea of government.
To educate people, guide them, and give them a reason to get together.
But, as this thread shows... neither does what they were intended to do.

[Kevorkian]

Also, I believe religion was made with the same idea of government.
To educate people, guide them, and give them a reason to get together.
But, as this thread shows... neither does what they were intended to do.

Religion is a fairy tale to explain why we are here :fyi:

[IamDeMan]

Also, I believe religion was made with the same idea of government.
To educate people, guide them, and give them a reason to get together.
But, as this thread shows... neither does what they were intended to do.

Depends on the government. I would say there are a few that could care less about educating and guiding. Now if you mean our specifically then you can break it more basic than that. Our government was originally setup to just protect our natural rights or the is the idea they sold the masses anyway. Obviously it has veered from this course early on and sometimes goes as far as to trample out rights lol.

[Roadtrippin']

its hard..they kno their not suppose to...but dumbasses do.. u got that kinda shit in every religion...

....ur not sayin ur gonna ban me r u lol?

No, you absolutely will not be banned for sharing your experiences in the Religion of Peace. That would be contrary to the Crunktimes policies and procedures.

[Roadtrippin']

Religion is a fairy tale to explain why we are here :fyi:

Let's try to limit the disparaging comments to Islam. That's enough to keep you occupied.

[IDSkot]

Religion is a fairy tale to explain why we are here :fyi:

Religion is an attempt to explain our being. Every religion has been set up to try to establish unity, try to guide the person to the "right path."
Over time, they've been molested... and you have extremists, and people who dare not say a word outside of the manuscript.
But, I like how you're a cliche "Atheist" who refuses to even attempt to look outside of your realm.
It's cute on you.

Depends on the government. I would say there are a few that could care less about educating and guiding. Now if you mean our specifically then you can break it more basic than that. Our government was originally setup to just protect our natural rights or the is the idea they sold the masses anyway. Obviously it has veered from this course early on and sometimes goes as far as to trample out rights lol.

Well, no. Every government is an attempt to guide the people. Even totalitarian dictatorships. It's just different logic. The logic in dictatorships is "I know what's best." Much like a parent's relationship with their kids. Except taken to an extreme. Ancient Kings thought they were descendants from God... so, since God is infallible, and they are in a direct bloodline, they must be infallible, too. Thus, what they say goes. And people believed that. And, who is anyone to judge someone else's faith? Who the hell know who's right or not? God could be a 22 year old man who likes to wear a Tutu and prance around singing 'Old Man River.' I mean, we will never really know... probably until it's too late. Assuming there is an ever-powerful being that created everything... we could just be an anomaly set off by a chain reaction billion of years ago, where something appeared out of nothing with no real action... but, then we're just going into philosophy rather than governing. But, either way... they're both pretty far fetched... which is why I get so frustrated with people who, like Kevorkian, believe that God is an absolute fairy tale, and there's no possible alternative... like, for instance, I believe there is an ever-powerful "being" (creature, spirit, choose your own noun.) that created everything. However, I believe if said thing is real, his power and physical shape would be too extreme for our minds to even wrap around. Much like the concept of infinity. We understand it. It goes on forever, it never starts, or ends. But, we don't FULLY understand it. It's a concept to us. That's how a "God" is to me. But, that's just me.

But, I will agree, that our government has become a corrupt and bitter being. If you honestly stop and think about it... the government has been nothing but a detriment since it's creation. It's kind of like if our country is represented by an overweight short guy, and that guy finally got a girlfriend who was hot... then after they've been together for a year or so, she gets ridiculously fat, she stops cooking and sucking his dick, and all she does is bitch. He don't think you can do better, so he sticks it out.
That's how our government has become.

[IamDeMan]

Let's try to limit the disparaging comments to Islam. That's enough to keep you occupied.

Why? Christian faiths are just so believable and innocent. :rolleyes:

[Spider Monkey]

Why? Christian faiths are just so believable and innocent. :rolleyes:

Log into Trillian faggot.

[IamDeMan]

Religion is an attempt to explain our being. Every religion has been set up to try to establish unity, try to guide the person to the "right path."
Over time, they've been molested... and you have extremists, and people who dare not say a word outside of the manuscript.
But, I like how you're a cliche "Atheist" who refuses to even attempt to look outside of your realm.
It's cute on you.



Well, no. Every government is an attempt to guide the people. Even totalitarian dictatorships. It's just different logic. The logic in dictatorships is "I know what's best." Much like a parent's relationship with their kids. Except taken to an extreme. Ancient Kings thought they were descendants from God... so, since God is infallible, and they are in a direct bloodline, they must be infallible, too. Thus, what they say goes. And people believed that. And, who is anyone to judge someone else's faith? Who the hell know who's right or not? God could be a 22 year old man who likes to wear a Tutu and prance around singing 'Old Man River.' I mean, we will never really know... probably until it's too late. Assuming there is an ever-powerful being that created everything... we could just be an anomaly set off by a chain reaction billion of years ago, where something appeared out of nothing with no real action... but, then we're just going into philosophy rather than governing. But, either way... they're both pretty far fetched... which is why I get so frustrated with people who, like Kevorkian, believe that God is an absolute fairy tale, and there's no possible alternative... like, for instance, I believe there is an ever-powerful "being" (creature, spirit, choose your own noun.) that created everything. However, I believe if said thing is real, his power and physical shape would be too extreme for our minds to even wrap around. Much like the concept of infinity. We understand it. It goes on forever, it never starts, or ends. But, we don't FULLY understand it. It's a concept to us. That's how a "God" is to me. But, that's just me.
EVERY? You are on crack. You think Cubas government gives a crap how guided the people are? There have been plenty that don't care to guide or teach, only rule. your statement is retarded at best.

[IamDeMan]

Log into Trillian faggot.

Your mother is on the phone with me, I can't.

[IDSkot]

Why? Christian faiths are just so believable and innocent. :rolleyes:

Since we're on the subject... I just wanted to point out:

Prior to the Crusades, a mention of Hell was never in the Bible. But, once the Crusades hit, they edited the bible so that it describes hell in great detail.
The best fear mongering tactic of all time. The amount of people who are still affected by this slight edit of the scripture is mind boggling. :laugh:

[Kevorkian]

Religion is an attempt to explain our being. Every religion has been set up to try to establish unity, try to guide the person to the "right path."
Over time, they've been molested... and you have extremists, and people who dare not say a word outside of the manuscript.
But, I like how you're a cliche "Atheist" who refuses to even attempt to look outside of your realm.
It's cute on you.



Well, no. Every government is an attempt to guide the people. Even totalitarian dictatorships. It's just different logic. The logic in dictatorships is "I know what's best." Much like a parent's relationship with their kids. Except taken to an extreme. Ancient Kings thought they were descendants from God... so, since God is infallible, and they are in a direct bloodline, they must be infallible, too. Thus, what they say goes. And people believed that. And, who is anyone to judge someone else's faith? Who the hell know who's right or not? God could be a 22 year old man who likes to wear a Tutu and prance around singing 'Old Man River.' I mean, we will never really know... probably until it's too late. Assuming there is an ever-powerful being that created everything... we could just be an anomaly set off by a chain reaction billion of years ago, where something appeared out of nothing with no real action... but, then we're just going into philosophy rather than governing. But, either way... they're both pretty far fetched... which is why I get so frustrated with people who, like Kevorkian, believe that God is an absolute fairy tale, and there's no possible alternative... like, for instance, I believe there is an ever-powerful "being" (creature, spirit, choose your own noun.) that created everything. However, I believe if said thing is real, his power and physical shape would be too extreme for our minds to even wrap around. Much like the concept of infinity. We understand it. It goes on forever, it never starts, or ends. But, we don't FULLY understand it. It's a concept to us. That's how a "God" is to me. But, that's just me.

But, I will agree, that our government has become a corrupt and bitter being. If you honestly stop and think about it... the government has been nothing but a detriment since it's creation. It's kind of like if our country is represented by an overweight short guy, and that guy finally got a girlfriend who was hot... then after they've been together for a year or so, she gets ridiculously fat, she stops cooking and sucking his dick, and all she does is bitch. He don't think you can do better, so he sticks it out.
That's how our government has become.

So skeeter, where is the proof this "god" exists?

[IDSkot]

EVERY? You are on crack. You think Cubas government gives a crap how guided the people are? There have been plenty that don't care to guide or teach, only rule. your statement is retarded at best.

Okay, let me rephrase. You're right.
Every government is enacted with the thought of guiding the people. Or else the people would just automatically rebel.
But if you start out good, then you slowly become corrupt... everyone is too used to it to really do any thing (or, in Cuba's case, too poor to do anything.)

[IDSkot]

So skeeter, where is the proof this "god" exists?

Where's the proof he doesn't? Or the proof that it's a he?
What proof do you have that the Sun is made out of Gases instead of a giant light bulb?

[Kevorkian]

I have proof that god doesn't exist. If he did, there wouldn't be coloreds.

[Spider Monkey]

Your mother is on the phone with me, I can't.

Really? How in the fuck is she doing that from the middle of the ocean.

[Kevorkian]

Really? How in the fuck is she doing that from the middle of the ocean.

She was on that boat with those football players?

[IamDeMan]

Really? How in the fuck is she doing that from the middle of the ocean.

Cell phone booster yo!

[Spider Monkey]

She was on that boat with those football players?

wat?

Cell phone booster yo!

That's one hell of a booster yo!

[IDSkot]

wat?



That's one hell of a booster yo!

4 r33l.

[Roadtrippin']

opinions are good. im muslim.... however i went to a christian school for 2 years cuz it was private.. i already knew everything u kno why? cuz its all the same...the only thing that is different is who we believe in.

and by everything i meant that basics of religion.. did u kno ur not supposed to drink? but u wait until ur 21 then u can? thats what ppl think... ur not supposed to have sex before marriage. storires of abraham stories of adam and eve...

EVERYTHING IS THE SAME!!!! everyone gots their own opionion but being raised muslim i fear the consequnces,,,,,, ;/

Oh, Rashad... looks like we have a poser here.

[Sex Cells]

Where's the proof he doesn't? Or the proof that it's a he?
What proof do you have that the Sun is made out of Gases instead of a giant light bulb?

That is the most asinine argument you could possibly have. There is not a single thing that you can prove doesn't exist. Aside from the validity of your point or integrity in the constitution of your logic.

Prove to me that definitive proof that your god doesn't exist, doesn't exist.

[Rashaddd]

Modern Christianity = Incredibly straying from Jesus's word, most christians are about as christian as those snitching fakeass "peaceful" muslims are islamic

Just thought I'd throw that out there

[Sex Cells]

And off he goes on his magic carpet.

[joetama]

God damn this thread exploded. lol

[IDSkot]

That is the most asinine argument you could possibly have. There is not a single thing that you can prove doesn't exist. Aside from the validity of your point or integrity in the constitution of your logic.

Prove to me that definitive proof that your god doesn't exist, doesn't exist.

Did Preston just compliment me?

I know it was asinine, though. I couldn't really think of anything, so I just went with that. I mean, I'm not trying to preach to anyone. I know what I believe. For the stuff Science can't explain (like everything expanding from NOTHING), I can't say "it just happened." Because, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reacting. Thus, we cannot come into be, out of absolutely nothing. Some force had to act upon it. There's the "snow globe" theory that we are just a small molecule in a bigger world, and our universe is engrossed in that molecule, and in the universe that we are engrossed in, they live life (perhaps to different laws of physics and what not, but live none the less), and they themselves are engrossed in a molecule in another universe. Which then extends into infinitely growing and infinitely shrinking universes. Regardless, I'm not really sure how we came to be. So, I blame it on a higher power. Who created said higher power? I don't know. Who created what created said higher power? Again, it's infinite. Which came first, chicken or the egg? Sure, evolution can explain that the chicken evolved. But, which came first? The egg which hatched what we know of as the chicken? I'm sure that argument in itself is dumb. Because, over time it evolved into what we know as the chicken, and nothing happened over night. (Like IAm's gut. Sorry, had to.) But, to set something straight, I neither worship, or acknowledge said higher power unless I start talking about philosophy and religion.

I believe people should do the right thing because they want to, not because they fear of the consequences. I hold doors for all shapes of people, because I think it's right. I stop when someone's broken down and see if I can help. I normally keep a small tool box for such occasions, and I've used it quite a few times. I help my neighbor's do manual labor. In fact, I mow my neighbor's lawn for her every time it needs cutting. On my dime, since I pay for the gas. I do all of these things not because I expect a reward, or even a thanks. But, because they're the right thing to do. It's respect, something most people don't understand anymore. They think respect is earned, and not inherit. But, it is, to a certain extent. Or, rather, should be. You should respect other people's possessions, their space, and even their life. The latter is taken in effect when driving. I never drive reckless, unless I'm the only person that can get hurt from the fiasco. But, do you understand where I'm getting at? I follow the law, but only because I agree with the law. If there's something I don't agree with, I don't follow it. If I wanted to smoke pot, I would. If I wanted to drink (granted I'm 18, so I'm not of "the age.") I would. I don't want to, thus I don't. I just think people have forgotten that they can make their own decisions about their actions; and, in fact, what they feel is right matters, or is supposed to. That's why I'm for the legalization of marijuana. Again, I don't smoke. But what harm does it do? No more than drinking, for damn sure. People have died from alcohol. Sclerosis of the liver, drunk driving, alcohol poisoning (which might be the same as Sclerosis, I'm not really sure.). Just a myriad of problems that alcohol causes, but it's legal as a mug. You can buy it out of nearly every gas station. They have stores specifically for the sale of alcohol. Pot heads can say some dumb shit... but they can function with out a toke. Alcoholics, on the other hand, their body shuts down with out alcohol. They get "the shakes" until they have their first sip. It's personal choice. You should be able to choose your poison; as long as it doesn't effect other people... and you rarely see a pot head hit their wife... or someone jacked up on heroin beat their kids... but that's a common side effect of alcoholic dads.

[Sex Cells]

I'm not reading a fucking word of that until you condense it down.

[farmerehsan]

Oh snap, I didn't realize there was a Muslim in the thread. They know all about raping and pillaging.

this dumbass

No, you absolutely will not be banned for sharing your experiences in the Religion of Peace. That would be contrary to the Crunktimes policies and procedures.

lol

Oh, Rashad... looks like we have a poser here.

wtf lol poser?

And off he goes on his magic carpet.
el o el funny thing is my business i run is a oriental carpet store

I'm not reading a fucking word of that until you condense it down.


lol


this shit did explode because this is a topic that everyone has their own view and there are knowlgable ppl in here and ignorant ass people. thats what makes up our world and tis why we cant fucking get along..

WELcome to :ct:

[Porch Monkey]

Aladdin?

[farmerehsan]

nahhh jaffar Mother fucker

[tappin_azz]

post

[slim8605]

My poast.

This shit is too deep for me.

[Spider Monkey]

I'm not reading a fucking word of that until you condense it down.

lulz

[UCP]

TOO MUCH HASSLE.

/thread.

[farmerehsan]

/ u

[UCP]

PLease.

[joetama]

So, yea....

[IDSkot]

I'm not reading a fucking word of that until you condense it down.

Cliffs: People are greedy, and they don't don't know what respect is.

[joetama]

Everyone lies... That is my thoughts on everything.