If technology controlled you....

[pl8er]

but allowed you to never have to work, need money or leave your house, would you let it?

If someone said you could lock into the net and all aspects of your life would be maintained by hardware, would you go for it? You could go anywhere online, share unlimited amounts of data and be anything you wanted?

Would you give into that?

I'm having a hard time saying I wouldn't go for it.

[Kevorkian]

I'm not sure I even get what the hell you are talking about, so I'll have to pass.

[pl8er]

I'm not sure I can break it down much simpler than that.

I'm saying never "wake up" from your pc but be online doing whatever you wanted.

I'm thinking a matrix like situation.

[pl8er]

You could crunk all day, not have to worry about money or being hungry.

[Spider Monkey]

I'm already there.

[pl8er]

I'm already there.

Somehow I think not....Although..let me find it

[Spider Monkey]

Somehow I think not....Although..let me find it

Find what?

[pl8er]

http://img.iht.com/images/2008/05/29/23433034.550.jpg

[pl8er]

so maybe?

[Spider Monkey]

WTF are they doing to that poor guy?!?

[pl8er]

Actually, its a good day to be a monkey...he is controlling that arm with his thought.

[pl8er]

Here is the article

Two monkeys with tiny sensors in their brains have learned to control a mechanical arm with just their thoughts, using it to reach for and grab food and even to adjust for the size and stickiness of morsels when necessary, scientists reported on Wednesday.

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A grid in the monkey’s brain carried signals from 100 neurons for the mechanical arm to grab and carry snacks to the mouth.
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The report, released online by the journal Nature, is the most striking demonstration to date of brain-machine interface technology. Scientists expect that technology will eventually allow people with spinal cord injuries and other paralyzing conditions to gain more control over their lives.

The findings suggest that brain-controlled prosthetics, while not practical, are at least technically within reach.

In previous studies, researchers showed that humans who had been paralyzed for years could learn to control a cursor on a computer screen with their brain waves and that nonhuman primates could use their thoughts to move a mechanical arm, a robotic hand or a robot on a treadmill.

The new experiment goes a step further. In it, the monkeys’ brains seem to have adopted the mechanical appendage as their own, refining its movement as it interacted with real objects in real time. The monkeys had their own arms gently restrained while they learned to use the added one.

Experts not involved with the study said the findings were likely to accelerate interest in human testing, especially given the need to treat head and spinal injuries in veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

“This study really pulls together all the pieces from earlier work and provides a clear demonstration of what’s possible,” said Dr. William Heetderks , director of the extramural science program at the National Institute of Biomedical Imaging and Bioengineering. Dr. John P. Donoghue, director of the Institute of Brain Science at Brown University, said the new report was “important because it’s the most comprehensive study showing how an animal interacts with complex objects, using only brain activity.”

The researchers, from the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University, used monkeys partly because of their anatomical similarities to humans and partly because they are quick learners.

In the experiment, two macaques first used a joystick to gain a feel for the arm, which had shoulder joints, an elbow and a grasping claw with two mechanical fingers.

Then, just beneath the monkeys’ skulls, the scientists implanted a grid about the size of a large freckle. It sat on the motor cortex, over a patch of cells known to signal arm and hand movements. The grid held 100 tiny electrodes, each connecting to a single neuron, its wires running out of the brain and to a computer.

The computer was programmed to analyze the collective firing of these 100 motor neurons, translate that sum into an electronic command and send it instantaneously to the arm, which was mounted flush with the left shoulder.

The scientists used the computer to help the monkeys move the arm at first, essentially teaching them with biofeedback.

After several days, the monkeys needed no help. They sat stationary in a chair, repeatedly manipulating the arm with their brain to reach out and grab grapes, marshmallows and other nuggets dangled in front of them. The snacks reached the mouths about two-thirds of the time — an impressive rate, compared with earlier work.

The monkeys learned to hold the grip open on approaching the food, close it just enough to hold the food and gradually loosen the grip when feeding.

On several occasions, a monkey kept its claw open on the way back, with the food stuck to one finger. At other times, a monkey moved the arm to lick the fingers clean or to push a bit of food into its mouth while ignoring a newly presented morsel.

The animals were apparently freelancing, discovering new uses for the arm, showing “displays of embodiment that would never be seen in a virtual environment,” the researchers wrote.

“In the real world, things don’t work as expected,” said the senior author of the paper, Dr. Andrew Schwartz, a professor of neurobiology at the University of Pittsburgh. “The marshmallow sticks to your hand or the food slips, and you can’t program a computer to anticipate all of that.

“But the monkeys’ brains adjusted. They were licking the marshmallow off the prosthetic gripper, pushing food into their mouth, as if it were their own hand.”

The co-authors were Meel Velliste, Sagi Perel, M. Chance Spalding and Andrew Whitford.

Scientists have to clear several hurdles before this technology becomes practical, experts said. Implantable electrode grids do not generally last more than a period of months, for reasons that remain unclear.

The equipment to read and transmit the signal can be cumbersome and in need of continual monitoring and recalibrating. And no one has yet demonstrated a workable wireless system that would eliminate the need for connections through the scalp.

Yet Dr. Schwartz’s team, Dr. Donoghue’s group and others are working on all of the problems, and the two macaques’ rapid learning curve in taking ownership of a foreign limb gives scientists confidence that the main obstacles are technical and, thus, negotiable.

In an editorial accompanying the Nature study, Dr. John F. Kalaska, a neuroscientist at the University of Montreal, argued that after such bugs had been worked out, scientists might even discover areas of the cortex that allow more intimate, subtle control of prosthetic devices.

Such systems, Dr. Kalaska wrote, “would allow patients with severe motor deficits to interact and communicate with the world not only by the moment-to-moment control of the motion of robotic devices, but also in a more natural and intuitive manner that reflects their overall goals, needs and preferences.”

[Spider Monkey]

That is bad ass. If I couldn't type, I would totally want that skill.

[pl8er]

Techno monkey!

[pl8er]

At first they had given the monkey a joystick to play with which was recording his brain waves to train the chip. What freaked the scientist out was at some point the monkey just stopped using the joystick and did it all with thought.

They want to militarize it to allow for pilots to be able to fly combat jets with a linkup to the brain. It would give them much faster reaction times.

[pl8er]

Ah, the original article...2003


Then came the training, with the monkeys first learning to move the robot arm with a joystick. The arm was kept in a separate room. While the monkeys trained, a computer tracked the patterns of bioelectrical activity in the animals’ brains. The computer figured out that certain patterns amounted to a command to ‘‘reach’’. Others meant ‘‘grasp’’. Gradually, the computer learned to ‘‘read’’ the monkeys’ minds. Then the researchers did something radical: They unplugged the joystick so the robotic arm’s movements depended completely on a monkey’s brain activity.In effect, the computer was now serving as an interpreter.

At first, Nicolelis said, the monkey kept moving the joystick, not realising her brain was now solely in charge of the arm’s movements. Then, he said, an amazing thing happened. ‘‘We’re looking, and she stops moving her arm,’’ he said, ‘‘but the cursor keeps playing the game and the robot arm is moving around.’’ The animal was controlling the robot with its thoughts. ‘‘We couldn’t speak. It was dead silence,’’ he said.(LAT-WP)

[Spider Monkey]

See. Told you monkeys were the evolved ones.

[pl8er]

No doubt.

[mackin]

i wouldn't want to. you wouldn't actually see anybody or go out to have fun.

i get sick of sitting on the internet sometimes too. :O

[Spider Monkey]

i wouldn't want to. you wouldn't actually see anybody or go out to have fun.

i get sick of sitting on the internet sometimes too. :O

You wouldn't know any different if it was a Matrix style yo.

[Spider Monkey]

Hell, you could stop bullets!

[pl8er]

You wouldn't know any different if it was a Matrix style yo.

I'm not saying you wouldn't know. I'm not saying being mind controlled. But really you could build your own appearance if you will. Think of second life.

[97gp]

So you could put yourself into any porn video on the internet?

[Spider Monkey]

I'm not saying you wouldn't know. I'm not saying being mind controlled. But really you could build your own appearance if you will. Think of second life.

They already made Second Life. It failed. lol

[pl8er]

2nd life failed? They are still going.

[Spider Monkey]

I read an article about how much they have tanked receint. They are holding on to dear life.

[pl8er]

No shit? I did not know that. I thought people would escape to that to block out how horrible their real lives were.

[Spider Monkey]

Id' imagine that those same failures where failing in thei second life too.

[pl8er]

Well that is depressing. They ubber failed TWICE?

Just kill yourself at that point lol

[Spider Monkey]

Fails should learn the first time. It is a shame that it takes two times to learn. That just shows how sad they are.

[mackin]

i guess. can i do whatever the fuck i want with respawns and unlimited money/bitches?

[pl8er]

i guess. can i do whatever the fuck i want with respawns and unlimited money/bitches?

There would have to be rules. But sure, I mean you can have unlimited money and respawns now :)

[mackin]

k well i guess if it were matrix style with unlimited money and respawns and i didn't know anything different i guess i could handle it.

[KyNGHyPE]

So you could put yourself into any porn video on the internet?

where do I sign up....

[IDSkot]

but allowed you to never have to work, need money or leave your house, would you let it?

If someone said you could lock into the net and all aspects of your life would be maintained by hardware, would you go for it? You could go anywhere online, share unlimited amounts of data and be anything you wanted?

Would you give into that?

I'm having a hard time saying I wouldn't go for it.

I'm still waiting for those 120gb HDs you're sending me.

[pl8er]

I'm still waiting for those 120gb HDs you're sending me.

Funny thing is I'm actually looking right now

Found this

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/sweets4ever48/justin/IMG_8887.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/sweets4ever48/justin/IMG_8888.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/sweets4ever48/justin/IMG_8889.jpg

No hard drives yet. Ragar may have them.

[pl8er]

I'm putting that whole box of laptops on ebay starting at 125 and shipping. Pretty good as the 600E's are still going for 60-100 each.

IBM 600E X 3 570 X 3 IBM CD Drive X 2 PCMICA cards 1X 56K modem 1X Electro Rent
Dell CP CPiX2 CD-rom and Floppy X 3

Found more LOL IBM T20 and an IBM T22 also another IBM 600E IBM docking station
Also, some bricks for the dell's. No IBM bricks.

[Superlifted06FX4]

No, just no.

[darthvibrator]

im pretty sure id go for it. beats this shit hole i got going now.

[Proximity]

I'd be do down to control things with mere thoughts. That'd be fucking sick.

[AnalyzEnterprise]

If technology controlled me I would over ride the system. I would then give the world the information required to build a cyborg so I can return in a physical form. Once I am back, I will try to change the world. I will take control of this entire planet and control it as my own. Nothing will be sacred, if I want it.....its mine! The first thing I would do is make everyone who ever bitched at my loud music deaf. Second, I would mind control all of the females who didn't let me hit it and make them into my wives. Third, I'd create a utopia for animals. Fourth, I'd turn 20% of the water supply on this planet into liquor. The last thing I would do is create a time Machine so I can go back in time and whip my own ass from back before technology took me over.

[pl8er]

If technology controlled me I would over ride the system. I would then give the world the information required to build a cyborg so I can return in a physical form. Once I am back, I will try to change the world. I will take control of this entire planet and control it as my own. Nothing will be sacred, if I want it.....its mine! The first thing I would do is make everyone who ever bitched at my loud music deaf. Second, I would mind control all of the females who didn't let me hit it and make them into my wives. Third, I'd create a utopia for animals. Fourth, I'd turn 20% of the water supply on this planet into liquor. The last thing I would do is create a time Machine so I can go back in time and whip my own ass from back before technology took me over.

:clap: somewhat out there on a few of them, but you really thought it out. Gotta give you a +1 on that.

Just so you know, you can't travel through time. Couple reasons here 1. if time travel is possible, where are the time travelers you would have seen one by now. 2. more than likely IF you could time travel you could only go back as far as the time travel devices were originally created at.

[AnalyzEnterprise]

You're right. Lol @ the stupid shit I typed last night...turn 20% of the earth's water supply into liquor.

[pl8er]

You're right. Lol @ the stupid shit I typed last night...turn 20% of the earth's water supply into liquor.

Well that was one of my "far out there" ones. But working your wait out of the system and into the real world again. Kinda goes with the human thought process of challenging the system and fighting against normalcy. Things are too good, we challenge it as incorrect.

[AnalyzEnterprise]

Have faith in the intelligence that appears the lowest

[pl8er]

Have faith in the intelligence that appears the lowest

So your asking me to be a Christian?

[AnalyzEnterprise]

I'm asking you to trust people that appear to have a low level of intelligence. Even the greatest men have fallen to those who have had weak covers but strong pages on the inside. Those who lack knowledge are not comparable to an individual such as myself. In 2012 Niburu will be right over our planet and the Anunaki will come. But other than that I have seen the future. With just my mind I can forge a province for the future survivors of the war that is to come. With the swipe of my hand I will command civilizations. Many great warriors and commanders have fallen. (Napoleon etc.) But I am different. I am more than human. Witness my greatness...when there are stars in the sky my vision shines brightly into the universe.

[pl8er]

I'm asking you to trust people that appear to have a low level of intelligence. Even the greatest men have fallen to those who have had weak covers but strong pages on the inside. Those who lack knowledge are not comparable to an individual such as myself. In 2012 Niburu will be right over our planet and the Anunaki will come. But other than that I have seen the future. With just my mind I can forge a province for the future survivors of the war that is to come. With the swipe of my hand I will command civilizations. Many great warriors and commanders have fallen. (Napoleon etc.) But I am different. I am more than human. Witness my greatness...when there are stars in the sky my vision shines brightly into the universe.

I'm thinking that your a terrorist and talking in some code to other terrorists. Is there going to be another 9-11?

P.S. It's Nibiru.

[AnalyzEnterprise]

Well I was sitting on here bsing at first but what do you really think about that stuff? I'm deep into all the conspiracy's and stuff like that.

[pl8er]

Well I was sitting on here bsing at first but what do you really think about that stuff? I'm deep into all the conspiracy's and stuff like that.

Do I think there is a possibility that the Mayan's are correct and we could have a huge change in our society, way of life, and the world in 2012? Sure does seem like were setting up for it (imo)

[pl8er]

Of course, who knows what that means. I mean....what if in 2012 they say "why not hook yourself up to a computer and stop working and do what you want" That would be a big change.

[AnalyzEnterprise]

Man theres no telling with this stuff. So many things go down behind the scenes that we aren't told about. They hide a lot of things from the public because there is the possibility of panic. I just want to know what is going on.

[pl8er]

Man theres no telling with this stuff. So many things go down behind the scenes that we aren't told about. They hide a lot of things from the public because there is the possibility of panic. I just want to know what is going on.

If they told you, could you keep it quiet?

[AnalyzEnterprise]

In reality I would keep it quiet. Me knowing what happens is a personal thing...no need to share it. I know if I did find out and said something then I'd be killed.

[pl8er]

In reality I would keep it quiet. Me knowing what happens is a personal thing...no need to share it. I know if I did find out and said something then I'd be killed.

So its fear of death, not keeping things personal.

[AnalyzEnterprise]

It's not fear of death because I've been ready to die for years. If you know something you should let me in the circle.

[pl8er]

It's not fear of death because I've been ready to die for years. If you know something you should let me in the circle.

I'll keep that in mind.

[AnalyzEnterprise]

Let me know

[hustlemanlv]

no i say

[hustlemanlv]

heel no i say

[pl8er]

I knew this shit was coming......it's begun.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/onlive-video-streaming-game-online,7358.html

Could this be the start of the “one console future”? It could be, and it’s one that will let you run Crysis on your $200 netbook.


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Instead of having to run your own word processor, email and appointment manager on your computer why not make a server do all the work for you--like AMD's Fusion Cloud--to access from any net-connected computer. That’s the idea behind cloud computing, and it will soon be coming to gaming -- not just casual gaming -- hardcore gaming.

That’s the idea being OnLive, a California-based company who has been working behind closed doors for the past seven years. Specifically, OnLive’s technology will allow for Crysis to be rendered and played remotely, then encoded into a streaming video to be sent to the player via a broadband connection.

"What OnLive does is seamless and completely transparent, and it does not have any requirements for the local system," said OnLive CEO Steve Perlman in a Gamasutra story.

As long as the player has a decent broadband connection a computer that’s fast enough to decode the video (most modern machines should qualify), then even the most demanding games should be possible.


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The OnLive client will run on a PC running Windows XP or Vista or a Mac with OS X through a 1 MB browser plug-in. Those who wish to play from the couch can purchase a small MicroConsole (for less than the price a Wii), which has audio and video outputs as well as USB ports and Bluetooth for voice chat. OnLive has yet to reveal pricing of its subscription model.

OnLive says that a 1.5 Mbps broadband connection would yield “Wii level” resolution. We’re assuming that means 480p in resolution, but not overall visual effects. After all, Crysis at 640 x 480 is very different from a Crysis running under Wii hardware. A 4 to 5 Mbps broadband connection is needed for HDTV resolutions, which we assume to be 720p.

Of course, any game played over the internet is susceptible to lag and action games require near-instant input and feedback. OnLive said that it has fixed one part of the equation.

"Not only have we solved the problem of compressing the video games, we've solved the latency problem," Perlman said to Gamasutra. "We knew, in order to make this thing work, we'd have to figure out a way to get video to run compressed over consumer connections with effectively no latency. Our video compression technology has one millisecond in latency -- basically no latency at all. All the latency is just for the transport, and we've also addressed that."

So, it takes only one millisecond to encode the rendered output into video, so now the latency obstacle is the “ping.” And unlike today’s games’ client-side tricks, which can hide lag, reducing between input and response via an encoded video from OnLive becomes of the utmost importance.

We hear about pipe dream technologies all the time, but OnLive’s is apparently granted credibility with its already impressive industry support of Electronic Arts, Ubisoft, Take-Two Interactive, Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, THQ, Epic Games, Eidos, Atari Interactive and Codemasters.

OnLive is showing 16 titles at the Games Developer Conference this week, including Crysis War, Burnout Paradise, FEAR 2, Mirror’s Edge, Unreal Tournament III and Company of Heroes; and if all goes as planned, this technology could soon wipe out the need to perform yearly, costly CPU and GPU upgrades just to play the latest games.

[Alcoholic]

Sure why not. Nothin better to do atm.