View Full Version : atheists and hard times........
this is NOT an argument/debate thread.......
fukers start arguin, i'ma request this to be closed or deleted.
the major religions and or spirituality systems have books, audio messages, websites, speakers, magazines, workshops and speakers and misc stuff to help people get thru really bad/difficult/hellish/monstrous/challenging/ uncomfortable moments/times in their lives.
what/who do atheists do or listened to to give them hope, courage, confidence things are gonna get better??
Sex Cells
08-02-2010, 07:05 PM
You've done this thread before adio.
We sacrafice christians.
Sex Cells
08-02-2010, 07:05 PM
You've done this thread before adio.
We sacrafice christians.
tapout
08-02-2010, 07:16 PM
Hatebreed
You've done this thread before adio.
We sacrafice christians.
no i didn't
You've done this thread before adio.
We sacrafice christians.
no i didn't
answer me......... cause i have 1100 posts now.
tapout
08-02-2010, 07:31 PM
I did
i thought atheist follow the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard.
rangerbitch03
08-02-2010, 07:36 PM
usually atheists have their own opinion on how things go. they don't listen to anyone, and they believe what they want to believe.
usually atheists have their own opinion on how things go. they don't listen to anyone, and they believe what they want to believe.
so an atheist wouldn't bend towards the teachings of another atheist?
rangerbitch03
08-02-2010, 07:39 PM
so an atheist wouldn't bend towards the teachings of another atheist?
i don't think so. my friend is atheist, and she goes by what she thinks.
atoz350
08-02-2010, 07:39 PM
so an atheist wouldn't bend towards the teachings of another atheist?
Completely depends on the person. Some people are sheep, some are shepherds.
atoz350
08-02-2010, 07:39 PM
i don't think so. my friend is atheist, and she goes by what she thinks.
I think she's just confused.
i don't think so. my friend is atheist, and she goes by what she thinks.
nevermind.
this is NOT an argument/debate thread.......
fukers start arguin, i'ma request this to be closed or deleted.
the major religions and or spirituality systems have books, audio messages, websites, speakers, magazines, workshops and speakers and misc stuff to help people get thru really bad/difficult/hellish/monstrous/challenging/ uncomfortable moments/times in their lives.
what/who do atheists do or listened to to give them hope, courage, confidence things are gonna get better??
Easy, we get to do all the things you guys don't allow yourselves to do.
rangerbitch03
08-02-2010, 07:40 PM
I think she's just confused.
possibly?
nevermind.
nevermind what? i wasnt talking to you.
Easy, we get to do all the things you guys don't allow yourselves to do.
like what?
u just got fired, you have no savings, no job prospects and your 3 yrs from retirement.
as an atheist, what would you tell yourself?? what would u do to convince yourself that things are gonna get better?? what would another atheist say to you that you would listen to?
pl8er
08-02-2010, 07:44 PM
Atheist believe they are above pretty much everyone. They do not require guidance and have all of the answers.
An Atheist would say they wanted to leave that job, they were already planning to quit, they were smart enough to save money and with just a little tweaking are still going to be okay.
Sex Cells
08-02-2010, 07:45 PM
like what?
u just got fired, you have no savings, no job prospects and your 3 yrs from retirement.
as an atheist, what would you tell yourself?? what would u do to convince yourself that things are gonna get better?? what would another atheist say to you that you would listen to?
Same thing a christian would presumably.
as an athiest or believer, i'd tell myself, get a job and life will get better.
like what?
u just got fired, you have no savings, no job prospects and your 3 yrs from retirement.
as an atheist, what would you tell yourself?? what would u do to convince yourself that things are gonna get better?? what would another atheist say to you that you would listen to?
Vegas.
pl8er
08-02-2010, 07:48 PM
like what?
u just got fired, you have no savings, no job prospects and your 3 yrs from retirement.
as an atheist, what would you tell yourself?? what would u do to convince yourself that things are gonna get better?? what would another atheist say to you that you would listen to?
You kinda are making atheist sound like retards too. A 62-year old with no savings?
toasted1
08-02-2010, 07:49 PM
what/who do atheists do or listened to to give them hope, courage, confidence things are gonna get better??
Led Zepplin records backwards
You kinda are making atheist sound like retards too. A 62-year old with no savings?
you mean i shouldnt count on social security
pl8er
08-02-2010, 07:52 PM
you mean i shouldnt count on social security
LOL....yeah, hold out for that one :p
pl8er
08-02-2010, 07:53 PM
I just wouldn't want to live in a world where I really believe I am totally alone.
I also have a seriously hard time NOT seeing God everywhere. I mean, an atheist must be SO full of themselves that they ignore everything and everyone around them figuring that we are all just lucky they are there.
You kinda are making atheist sound like retards too. A 62-year old with no savings?
no i'm not. being in your 50's and 60's with no savings is a very real and extremely common thing. i was just makin an example everybody can relate to.........
synyster1337
08-02-2010, 08:04 PM
this is NOT an argument/debate thread.......
fukers start arguin, i'ma request this to be closed or deleted.
the major religions and or spirituality systems have books, audio messages, websites, speakers, magazines, workshops and speakers and misc stuff to help people get thru really bad/difficult/hellish/monstrous/challenging/ uncomfortable moments/times in their lives.
what/who do atheists do or listened to to give them hope, courage, confidence things are gonna get better??
From my understanding, these aforementioned forms of media are used to relieve stress and more or less "inspire" the person that things will get better. I think that Atheists are so into hard evidence and the belief that there isn't a god, that they take more notice of how the world really is(1). I'm an Atheist, and I just tell myself that things will get better when I'm down. A great poet once said "If winter comes, is spring not too far behind?". That pretty much says that rough patches in your life will get better. You're not always supposed to be only happy. Sometimes things don't go your way, and as a human, you have to learn to understand that. That's what gets me through hard times, just basically knowing that "shit happens". Also, if you think you're in a bad spot, if you have more than $10 to your name, you're richer than 93% of the world. The problems that I experience are very miniscule compared to some of the other people in the world, and if an Atheist was to think the same way, it would help them a lot.
EDIT: Footnote
1. A lot of Christians will look to murder, jealousy and theivery as sin, as Atheists will most likely refer to it as "Human Nature".
I just wouldn't want to live in a world where I really believe I am totally alone.
I also have a seriously hard time NOT seeing God everywhere. I mean, an atheist must be SO full of themselves that they ignore everything and everyone around them figuring that we are all just lucky they are there.
I see where you're coming from, but I'll have to disagree. I'm an Atheist, but not narcissistic. Science and religion shouldn't be enemies (may be hard to believe coming from the guy that started flame wars on ca.com about science vs. the bible). Science and religion are both ways of answering the question "how". The bible said that the Earth was created in Seven Days. Science said the Earth has been here for about 4.5 Billion Years. The bible constructs its teachings on faith and tolerance, and science gives you figures, numbers, and facts about how things work. I think that Science is a religion in itself because to truly understand it, you have to appreciate the great powers and expanses that it takes for some of the stuff we see every day to be possible. It's more or less like seeing God in everything that you do, except the word "God" is replaced by things such as the "Coriolis Effect" and "Gravity" that explains why bullets can go off course and why apples fall from trees.
/novelpoast
tapout
08-02-2010, 08:06 PM
http://www.forkparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Scientology500.png
pl8er
08-02-2010, 08:09 PM
From my understanding, these aforementioned forms of media are used to relieve stress and more or less "inspire" the person that things will get better. I think that Atheists are so into hard evidence and the belief that there isn't a god, that they take more notice of how the world really is(1). I'm an Atheist, and I just tell myself that things will get better when I'm down. A great poet once said "If winter comes, is spring not too far behind?". That pretty much says that rough patches in your life will get better. You're not always supposed to be only happy. Sometimes things don't go your way, and as a human, you have to learn to understand that. That's what gets me through hard times, just basically knowing that "shit happens". Also, if you think you're in a bad spot, if you have more than $10 to your name, you're richer than 93% of the world. The problems that I experience are very miniscule compared to some of the other people in the world, and if an Atheist was to think the same way, it would help them a lot.
EDIT: Footnote
1. A lot of Christians will look to murder, jealousy and theivery as sin, as Atheists will most likely refer to it as "Human Nature".
I see where you're coming from, but I'll have to disagree. I'm an Atheist, but not narcissistic. Science and religion shouldn't be enemies (may be hard to believe coming from the guy that started flame wars on ca.com about science vs. the bible). Science and religion are both ways of answering the question "how". The bible said that the Earth was created in Seven Days. Science said the Earth has been here for about 4.5 Billion Years. The bible constructs its teachings on faith and tolerance, and science gives you figures, numbers, and facts about how things work. I think that Science is a religion in itself because to truly understand it, you have to appreciate the great powers and expanses that it takes for some of the stuff we see every day to be possible. It's more or less like seeing God in everything that you do, except the word "God" is replaced by things such as the "Coriolis Effect" and "Gravity" that explains why bullets can go off course and why apples fall from trees.
/novelpoast
I agree 100% that science and religion have a place together. Hell some things even line up in ways. Great flood, death of dinosaurs? Dino's all in mud :shrug: works for me.
Our science once told us that beyond the horizon was doom and going faster than a certain speed would cause your blood to boil.
We are a young species with a low level of understanding about our surroundings.
synyster1337
08-02-2010, 08:11 PM
I agree 100% that science and religion have a place together. Hell some things even line up in ways. Great flood, death of dinosaurs? Dino's all in mud :shrug: works for me.
Our science once told us that beyond the horizon was doom and going faster than a certain speed would cause your blood to boil.
We are a young species with a low level of understanding about our surroundings.
We are a young species, and we do possess a low level of understanding, but those aforementioned sciences were mostly speculation, with a smattering of religious propaganda to brainwash the people into believing it.
pl8er
08-02-2010, 08:11 PM
Random question:
If nothing is faster than the speed of light how is it that a black hole catches and pulls in light?
I'm sure one of you physics guys can explain it to me. Just seems like, on Earth, things moving at a very high rate of speed go right through...if light is the fastest thing shouldn't it just go through everything?
From my understanding, these aforementioned forms of media are used to relieve stress and more or less "inspire" the person that things will get better. I think that Atheists are so into hard evidence and the belief that there isn't a god, that they take more notice of how the world really is(1). I'm an Atheist, and I just tell myself that things will get better when I'm down. A great poet once said "If winter comes, is spring not too far behind?". That pretty much says that rough patches in your life will get better. You're not always supposed to be only happy. Sometimes things don't go your way, and as a human, you have to learn to understand that. That's what gets me through hard times, just basically knowing that "shit happens". Also, if you think you're in a bad spot, if you have more than $10 to your name, you're richer than 93% of the world. The problems that I experience are very miniscule compared to some of the other people in the world, and if an Atheist was to think the same way, it would help them a lot.
EDIT: Footnote
1. A lot of Christians will look to murder, jealousy and theivery as sin, as Atheists will most likely refer to it as "Human Nature".
I see where you're coming from, but I'll have to disagree. I'm an Atheist, but not narcissistic. Science and religion shouldn't be enemies (may be hard to believe coming from the guy that started flame wars on ca.com about science vs. the bible). Science and religion are both ways of answering the question "how". The bible said that the Earth was created in Seven Days. Science said the Earth has been here for about 4.5 Billion Years. The bible constructs its teachings on faith and tolerance, and science gives you figures, numbers, and facts about how things work. I think that Science is a religion in itself because to truly understand it, you have to appreciate the great powers and expanses that it takes for some of the stuff we see every day to be possible. It's more or less like seeing God in everything that you do, except the word "God" is replaced by things such as the "Coriolis Effect" and "Gravity" that explains why bullets can go off course and why apples fall from trees.
/novelpoast
thank you veryfukin much!! and ur 2nd paragraph is great too.........
pl8er
08-02-2010, 08:11 PM
We are a young species, and we do possess a low level of understanding, but those aforementioned sciences were mostly speculation, with a smattering of religious propaganda to brainwash the people into believing it.
What is to stop us from saying that all of our thoughts on space/time/creation wasn't speculation in another 2,000 years?
synyster1337
08-02-2010, 08:17 PM
thank you veryfukin much!! and ur 2nd paragraph is great too.........
Thanks. If I wasn't a science major, I would definitely be a Theology or Philosophy major.
What is to stop us from saying that all of our thoughts on space/time/creation wasn't speculation in another 2,000 years?
Well, a lot of the scientific research papers that are released today have been peer-reviewed and possess lengthy, relevant explanations as to what the hypothesis is, the experiment, procedures, data, and conclusions mean. Also, the ability to use qualitative analysis. If you make a 3% SFR Agarose Gel, you can load samples of DNA into the wells, as well as a synthesized DNA molecule called a ladder. Judging by how far the DNA moves, (lesser-sized DNA molecules will move further and faster than larger-sized molecules) you can know almost exactly how large or small a fragment of DNA is. When our science used to tell us that the world was square, there was no evidence to back it up, or peer review committees. Idk, I just think that our brains have been more or less "trained" to not believe bullshit, and to start looking into real evidence before making their decisions.
pl8er
08-02-2010, 08:20 PM
Thanks. If I wasn't a science major, I would definitely be a Theology or Philosophy major.
Well, a lot of the scientific research papers that are released today have been peer-reviewed and possess lengthy, relevant explanations as to what the hypothesis is, the experiment, procedures, data, and conclusions mean. Also, the ability to use qualitative analysis. If you make a 3% SFR Agarose Gel, you can load samples of DNA into the wells, as well as a synthesized DNA molecule called a ladder. Judging by how far the DNA moves, (lesser-sized DNA molecules will move further and faster than larger-sized molecules) you can know almost exactly how large or small a fragment of DNA is. When our science used to tell us that the world was square, there was no evidence to back it up, or peer review committees. Idk, I just think that our brains have been more or less "trained" to not believe bullshit, and to start looking into real evidence before making their decisions.
I really do believe in free thought, so don't think I'm saying you are wrong. Hell, from my view you cannot be wrong (nice huh?). I'm not religious, I'm a realist and yet I still believe.
I do agree that there is far more ways to identify and prove things. However, how do you prove or disprove the presence of a creator if they never show? Do we say that the lack of presence means they do not exist?
Seriously, best thread we have had in awhile!
I really do believe in free thought, so don't think I'm saying you are wrong. Hell, from my view you cannot be wrong (nice huh?). I'm not religious, I'm a realist and yet I still believe.
I do agree that there is far more ways to identify and prove things. However, how do you prove or disprove the presence of a creator if they never show? Do we say that the lack of presence means they do not exist?
Seriously, best thread we have had in awhile!
lets keep it that way...... and i agree too
p.s. i made the thread
Since we're now arguing religion vs science.
Pl8, in reference to your post that we are a young species and don't know shit.
That is my largest problem with religion, all of them. If you truly believe in an all powerful, all knowing, bigger entity I cannot fathom how you can think we as a species could understand what that is.
It's an old attempt to explain that which could not be explained at the time, problem is that people are still being indoctrinated into these old ways of thinking.
We still don't know everything, but idolizing stories to cover up our lack of knowledge and need to suppress primal instincts that would leave us to devour each other as FACTS, and deny that which we can see with our own two eyes is a mistake.
My god is the universe at large, and it doesn't give a fuck about me.
Now, as far as atheists getting through tough times... there are three reasons I'm not already dead.
My mother, my father, and my belief that there is nothing else.
This is all we have and all we can do is make the best of it or give up.
It's served me well so far.
synyster1337
08-02-2010, 08:36 PM
I really do believe in free thought, so don't think I'm saying you are wrong. Hell, from my view you cannot be wrong (nice huh?). I'm not religious, I'm a realist and yet I still believe.
I do agree that there is far more ways to identify and prove things. However, how do you prove or disprove the presence of a creator if they never show? Do we say that the lack of presence means they do not exist?
Seriously, best thread we have had in awhile!
Well, I don't know how to prove the existence of a creator. I didn't see a possible way, so I turned to the branch of understanding that damn-near explains every bit of everything that you're curious about. The only thing that scientists know how to do is fight the bible. Carbon analysis puts our Earth at 4.5 Billion Years Old. Genetic research based on the qualitative nature of the bible puts the Earth at ~6.6-6.7k Years Old. Basically, you really make your own decision at that point. Do you go with Faith that you have more than likely grown up with to understand and rely on? Or do you go with your curious side, starving for answers and explanations?
pl8er
08-02-2010, 08:40 PM
Since we're now arguing religion vs science.
Pl8, in reference to your post that we are a young species and don't know shit.
That is my largest problem with religion, all of them. If you truly believe in an all powerful, all knowing, bigger entity I cannot fathom how you can think we as a species could understand what that is.
Totally agreed. If I was going to create, i would make sure they couldn't figure out all the answers. This is where we will fail with technology. We will become numb to them doing everything and soon they will take over everything.
We still don't know everything, but idolizing stories to cover up our lack of knowledge and need to suppress primal instincts that would leave us to devour each other as FACTS, and deny that which we can see with our own two eyes is a mistake.
I think you headed down that path a bit more than I planned to with science and religion. I do not believe the bible. Again, I am not a religious person. I'm a tech guy, I believe we are all programmed but the programming is weak in the sense that we have to make the decisions. Hold a gun to your head, you will know that is wrong and have a solid sense of self protection. Hold it to any other person and you will still feel that it is wrong. You can pull the trigger, but you can feel that you shouldn't.
My god is the universe at large, and it doesn't give a fuck about me.
Now, as far as atheists getting through tough times... there are three reasons I'm not already dead.
My mother, my father, and my belief that there is nothing else.
This is all we have and all we can do is make the best of it or give up.
It's served me well so far.
If your god is the universe and I am part of the universe and I care if you live or die, wouldn't that put a hole in your theory? If you were down to NOTHING, had NOTHING and I could help, I would.
Because I believe that we are all part of a larger network that connects all of us. Without each of us, part of our own self is missing. When we find a life mate, we know they are there. If you haven't felt it, you haven't found them.
When we have a family member suddenly fall, we know it. The universe cares more than you think. You just have to open your eyes, lower your walls and believe a little bit.
synyster1337
08-02-2010, 08:41 PM
After reading this thread, I think that the way of thinking and presenting ideas displayed in this thread shows potential for deep-thinking and understanding for most people on this forum, providing they are willing to go above the super-troll/everyone-is-a-feg mentality.
pl8er
08-02-2010, 08:42 PM
Well, I don't know how to prove the existence of a creator. I didn't see a possible way, so I turned to the branch of understanding that damn-near explains every bit of everything that you're curious about. The only thing that scientists know how to do is fight the bible. Carbon analysis puts our Earth at 4.5 Billion Years Old. Genetic research based on the qualitative nature of the bible puts the Earth at ~6.6-6.7k Years Old. Basically, you really make your own decision at that point. Do you go with Faith that you have more than likely grown up with to understand and rely on? Or do you go with your curious side, starving for answers and explanations?
Time is a fabricated device used for measurement. Pretty sure that God didn't put that in place and throw down a watch.
Man said god created Earth in 7 days. Who was counting? Which days? I mean how would a fly measure things? They live a week, right?
synyster1337
08-02-2010, 08:44 PM
Time is a fabricated device used for measurement. Pretty sure that God didn't put that in place and throw down a watch.
Man said god created Earth in 7 days. Who was counting? Which days? I mean how would a fly measure things? They live a week, right?
Ahh, Touche. You are correct. Our standard for day since biblical times hasn't deviated by much, though. Their standard for a day measurement was based on the sun and moon. Ours is based on a 24 hour system, which in turn is based on the extraterrestrial rotation of the sun and moon.
IamDeMan
08-02-2010, 08:46 PM
Since we're now arguing religion vs science.
Pl8, in reference to your post that we are a young species and don't know shit.
That is my largest problem with religion, all of them. If you truly believe in an all powerful, all knowing, bigger entity I cannot fathom how you can think we as a species could understand what that is.
It's an old attempt to explain that which could not be explained at the time, problem is that people are still being indoctrinated into these old ways of thinking.
We still don't know everything, but idolizing stories to cover up our lack of knowledge and need to suppress primal instincts that would leave us to devour each other as FACTS, and deny that which we can see with our own two eyes is a mistake.
My god is the universe at large, and it doesn't give a fuck about me.
Now, as far as atheists getting through tough times... there are three reasons I'm not already dead.
My mother, my father, and my belief that there is nothing else.
This is all we have and all we can do is make the best of it or give up.
It's served me well so far.:tldr:
synyster1337
08-02-2010, 08:47 PM
:tldr:
If that's the case, what did you think of my posts?
pl8er
08-02-2010, 08:48 PM
Ahh, Touche. You are correct. Our standard for day since biblical times hasn't deviated by much, though. Their standard for a day measurement was based on the sun and moon. Ours is based on a 24 hour system, which in turn is based on the extraterrestrial rotation of the sun and moon.
Nod, but I'm talking about the creation of all.
Again, I don't believe the bible.
Treat everyone well. That is really all I need.
IamDeMan
08-02-2010, 08:49 PM
If that's the case, what did you think of my posts?
Loved this one.
After reading this thread, I think that the way of thinking and presenting ideas displayed in this thread shows potential for deep-thinking and understanding for most people on this forum, providing they are willing to go above the super-troll/everyone-is-a-feg mentality.
If your god is the universe and I am part of the universe and I care if you live or die, wouldn't that put a hole in your theory? If you were down to NOTHING, had NOTHING and I could help, I would.
Because I believe that we are all part of a larger network that connects all of us. Without each of us, part of our own self is missing. When we find a life mate, we know they are there. If you haven't felt it, you haven't found them.
When we have a family member suddenly fall, we know it. The universe cares more than you think. You just have to open your eyes, lower your walls and believe a little bit.
You are a part of the universe, you are not the universe at large. What's bigger than that, I don't know, I don't need to know. My only point is that in the grand scheme, we as a species... as world, are not even a hydrogen atom in the water in our ocean.
It's grim, but I'll take grim over total bullshit and nonsense anyday.
I also accept that I'm probably wrong, I can only do the best I can with what I have and never stop questioning everything.
synyster1337
08-02-2010, 08:53 PM
Nod, but I'm talking about the creation of all.
Again, I don't believe the bible.
Treat everyone well. That is really all I need.
:hi5:
You are a part of the universe, you are not the universe at large. What's bigger than that, I don't know, I don't need to know. My only point is that in the grand scheme, we as a species... as world, are not even a hydrogen atom in the water in our ocean.
It's grim, but I'll take grim over total bullshit and nonsense anyday.
I also accept that I'm probably wrong, I can only do the best I can with what I have and never stop questioning everything.
Being an Atheist allows you to open your mind and see the world as it really is. Your views aren't grim. Grim views in a grim world would be normal wouldn't they?
pl8er
08-02-2010, 08:53 PM
You are a part of the universe, you are not the universe at large. What's bigger than that, I don't know, I don't need to know. My only point is that in the grand scheme, we as a species... as world, are not even a hydrogen atom in the water in our ocean.
It's grim, but I'll take grim over total bullshit and nonsense anyday.
I also accept that I'm probably wrong, I can only do the best I can with what I have and never stop questioning everything.
Lets shrink it down. Your body, for instance. The molecules are not important right? Unless they get cancer. So we take preventive measures to keep cancer at a minimum. Yet that single cell can grow and grow and terminate you.
The universe at large cares.
If I get cancer and die, I rot and the world goes on. I don't mourn the loss of an ant, do you?
My point is that we're lucky as fuck to be here and have what we have, that does not mean the universe cares.
pl8er
08-02-2010, 09:00 PM
If I get cancer and die, I rot and the world goes on. I don't mourn the loss of an ant, do you?
My point is that we're lucky as fuck to be here and have what we have, that does not mean the universe cares.
I'm saying that a cell isn't significant until it is. If we are an atom of hydrogen in the vast ocean and a cell is just a cell in a vast realm of trillions of other cells yet one can kill us, that means that each cell is significant. We do make our destiny but that destiny can change everything.
It can change something. I defy it to change everything in the literal sense.
pl8er
08-02-2010, 09:04 PM
Someone just sent this to me. Thought it was good timing.
http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,110982207001_2006449,00.html
pl8er
08-02-2010, 09:04 PM
It can change something. I defy it to change everything in the literal sense.
Single cell gets cancer and you die, everything changes. Literally.
It changes me. The universe keeps moving. I am not everything, as much as I enjoy your sentiment.
pl8er
08-02-2010, 09:10 PM
It changes me. The universe keeps moving. I am not everything, as much as I enjoy your sentiment.
I'm saying your cell to your body is you to the universe. You may not be everything but you are something. And every something is important.
I was once incredibly saddened when a spider I was feeding in the bathroom at work disappeared. I fed it ants. Actually, I broke up cough drops so the ants would come and would give it a few ants everyday.
Since we're now arguing religion vs science.
Pl8, in reference to your post that we are a young species and don't know shit.
That is my largest problem with religion, all of them. If you truly believe in an all powerful, all knowing, bigger entity I cannot fathom how you can think we as a species could understand what that is.
It's an old attempt to explain that which could not be explained at the time, problem is that people are still being indoctrinated into these old ways of thinking.
We still don't know everything, but idolizing stories to cover up our lack of knowledge and need to suppress primal instincts that would leave us to devour each other as FACTS, and deny that which we can see with our own two eyes is a mistake.
My god is the universe at large, and it doesn't give a fuck about me.
Now, as far as atheists getting through tough times... there are three reasons I'm not already dead.
My mother, my father, and my belief that there is nothing else.
This is all we have and all we can do is make the best of it or give up.
It's served me well so far.
ur not already dead cause of ur mother, father and ur belief of the nothingness??? u wanna elaboraTE more cause u have alotta holes to fill in there.
My point is I'm not special like we are lead to believe. I mean... I'm special, because I'm fucking me, but very few people know that.
... oh fuck it I'm going to bed.
:troll:
I'm saying that a cell isn't significant until it is. If we are an atom of hydrogen in the vast ocean and a cell is just a cell in a vast realm of trillions of other cells yet one can kill us, that means that each cell is significant. We do make our destiny but that destiny can change everything.
thats true. nobody cares about it ( it is whatever) until it happens.
If I get cancer and die, I rot and the world goes on. I don't mourn the loss of an ant, do you?
My point is that we're lucky as fuck to be here and have what we have, that does not mean the universe cares.
do u really beleive that about yourself, or are u just typin out what u think would happen in ur head??
ur not already dead cause of ur mother, father and ur belief of the nothingness??? u wanna elaboraTE more cause u have alotta holes to fill in there.
If I died, it would devastate my parents, who are both good, caring people with zero exceptions. They do not deserve that.
I also don't believe in re-incarnation, or life after death.
While life can be miserable, a miserable life > nothing.
pl8er
08-02-2010, 09:22 PM
ur not already dead cause of ur mother, father and ur belief of the nothingness??? u wanna elaboraTE more cause u have alotta holes to fill in there.
His mother and father kept him safe. I mean, what duty does a parent have more priority in than keeping their children safe?
The nothingness, well I could psychologically break that down until tomorrow, but I want to sleep.
Sometimes I think that atheists choose that path because it means there is less they have to live up to. No offense, I know we have a good number of you guys on here.
do u really beleive that about yourself, or are u just typin out what u think would happen in ur head??
Clarify what your question is.
His mother and father kept him safe. I mean, what duty does a parent have more priority in than keeping their children safe?
The nothingness, well I could psychologically break that down until tomorrow, but I want to sleep.
Sometimes I think that atheists choose that path because it means there is less they have to live up to. No offense, I know we have a good number of you guys on here.
I agree. I wish I could be that person.
His mother and father kept him safe. I mean, what duty does a parent have more priority in than keeping their children safe?
The nothingness, well I could psychologically break that down until tomorrow, but I want to sleep.
Sometimes I think that atheists choose that path because it means there is less they have to live up to. No offense, I know we have a good number of you guys on here.
wha T I TOOK FROM THAT is
a. ) his mother has been with him 24/7
b.) his father has been with him 24/7
c.) both his parents have been with him 24/7
d.) since he doesn't believe in anything, nothing can happen to him
You've misunderstood. Quite a bit.
pl8er
08-02-2010, 09:30 PM
wha T I TOOK FROM THAT is
a. ) his mother has been with him 24/7
b.) his father has been with him 24/7
c.) both his parents have been with him 24/7
d.) since he doesn't believe in anything, nothing can happen to him
If you fell and broke your body in a horrible way this very second would I come running?
Would your mother/father if they are still alive?
So yeah, 24/7. You really NEVER stop getting to be a parent.
tapout
08-02-2010, 10:11 PM
http://i.imgur.com/yXLmn.jpg
Uncle Rico
08-02-2010, 10:30 PM
If I get cancer and die, I rot and the world goes on. I don't mourn the loss of an ant, do you?
My point is that we're lucky as fuck to be here and have what we have, that does not mean the universe cares.
We're lucky to be here?? The fuck?
Uncle Rico
08-02-2010, 10:31 PM
I pray to god. But sometimes I dont actually know what to believe. This thread is interesting seeing diff views.
synyster1337
08-02-2010, 10:46 PM
I pray to god. But sometimes I dont actually know what to believe. This thread is interesting seeing diff views.
This is good to see, because usually when I tell people I'm Atheist, they are all like ZOMGWTFBBQ SINNER YOU ARE GOING TO HELL...
You're probably being a douche. I have calm collected conversations. I also don't subscribe to the atheist title.
synyster1337
08-02-2010, 11:13 PM
You're probably being a douche. I have calm collected conversations. I also don't subscribe to the atheist title.
No, I live in West Virginia you fucking asshole.
jesus
08-03-2010, 12:33 AM
Random question:
If nothing is faster than the speed of light how is it that a black hole catches and pulls in light?
I'm sure one of you physics guys can explain it to me. Just seems like, on Earth, things moving at a very high rate of speed go right through...if light is the fastest thing shouldn't it just go through everything?
The speed of light is affected by gravity. Gravity effects time, therefore time is never constant.
Time is a fabricated device used for measurement. Pretty sure that God didn't put that in place and throw down a watch.
Man said god created Earth in 7 days. Who was counting? Which days? I mean how would a fly measure things? They live a week, right?
I consider this a cop-out. The Bible doesn't allow for millions or even billions of years; no matter how you break it down. There are too many parts in the Bible that completely remove any validity that it may have had.
My answer to the OP is I leave everything to science. Who's to say that we aren't in an ongoing cycle of "Big-Bangs"? For all we know eventually the universe stops expanding, collapses into itself causing a black hole and eventually that single point of extremely hot and dense material recycles into another universe.
I actually thought I had found someone about 2 weeks ago that would be willing to have an open "debate" on science and the Bible, but after about 3 posts over a 2-day period he stopped responding. Blind faith to me is nothing more than being brain-washed. There isn't a single shred of scientific proof that evolution isn't real while at the same time there is nothing in the historical record that shows that the Bible is anything besides recycled stories from multiple cultures throughout history.
The best answer I have ever gotten is "You just have to believe" and "What if I'm right?" and of course "If I'm wrong, what do I lose?". I disagree with those sentiments because that process of thought would have kept us in the dark-ages for centuries to come. Religion is nothing more than a road-block for common-sense and scientific discovery.
Echo42987
08-03-2010, 12:45 AM
This is good to see, because usually when I tell people I'm Atheist, they are all like ZOMGWTFBBQ SINNER YOU ARE GOING TO HELL...
Aren't you?
Echo42987
08-03-2010, 12:48 AM
The speed of light is affected by gravity. Gravity effects time, therefore time is never constant.
I consider this a cop-out. The Bible doesn't allow for millions or even billions of years; no matter how you break it down. There are too many parts in the Bible that completely remove any validity that it may have had.
My answer to the OP is I leave everything to science. Who's to say that we aren't in an ongoing cycle of "Big-Bangs"? For all we know eventually the universe stops expanding, collapses into itself causing a black hole and eventually that single point of extremely hot and dense material recycles into another universe.
I actually thought I had found someone about 2 weeks ago that would be willing to have an open "debate" on science and the Bible, but after about 3 posts over a 2-day period he stopped responding. Blind faith to me is nothing more than being brain-washed. There isn't a single shred of scientific proof that evolution isn't real while at the same time there is nothing in the historical record that shows that the Bible is anything besides recycled stories from multiple cultures throughout history.
The best answer I have ever gotten is "You just have to believe" and "What if I'm right?" and of course "If I'm wrong, what do I lose?". I disagree with those sentiments because that process of thought would have kept us in the dark-ages for centuries to come. Religion is nothing more than a road-block for common-sense and scientific discovery.
There is proof that evolution is real?
jesus
08-03-2010, 12:57 AM
There is proof that evolution is real?
Yes. The fact you have a tailbone. The fact whales have fingers and had legs. The fact antibiotics eventually become useless.
Lame attempt feg.
http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~bio336/Bio336/Lectures/Lecture5/whale.jpg
Echo42987
08-03-2010, 01:06 AM
Yes. The fact you have a tailbone. The fact whales have fingers and had legs. The fact antibiotics eventually become useless.
Lame attempt feg.
http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~bio336/Bio336/Lectures/Lecture5/whale.jpg
Lame attempt of what?
You have proven it so quickly there isn't anything else to say.
Evolution is realz yo!
jesus
08-03-2010, 01:13 AM
I'll pray for you.
Echo42987
08-03-2010, 01:23 AM
I'll pray for you.
To the femur pevlic whale?
jesus
08-03-2010, 01:30 AM
To the femur pevlic whale?
No, of course not. To the magical wizard that walks on water and heals people with his touch silly.
Uncle Rico
08-03-2010, 01:50 AM
Dont let jmanpc see that.
jesus
08-03-2010, 01:54 AM
Which part?
Uncle Rico
08-03-2010, 02:14 AM
The whole lets lol @ jesus part.
jesus
08-03-2010, 02:50 AM
Jesus forgives me bb <3
IamDeMan
08-03-2010, 06:24 AM
His mother and father kept him safe. I mean, what duty does a parent have more priority in than keeping their children safe?
The nothingness, well I could psychologically break that down until tomorrow, but I want to sleep.
Sometimes I think that atheists choose that path because it means there is less they have to live up to. No offense, I know we have a good number of you guys on here.
That is utter bullshit. Just because I don't believe there is a meaning, does not mean I don't have goals of my own. I am my worst critic and give myself plenty to live up to.
pl8er
08-03-2010, 07:34 AM
This is good to see, because usually when I tell people I'm Atheist, they are all like ZOMGWTFBBQ SINNER YOU ARE GOING TO HELL...
I'm not sure I believe in the existence of hell. Perhaps a different holding location but that has not been defined by me yet. Honestly though, I hate those people. Why should they care if you are going to hell? They are no savior, they have no right.
The speed of light is affected by gravity. Gravity effects time, therefore time is never constant.
I consider this a cop-out. The Bible doesn't allow for millions or even billions of years; no matter how you break it down. There are too many parts in the Bible that completely remove any validity that it may have had.
My answer to the OP is I leave everything to science. Who's to say that we aren't in an ongoing cycle of "Big-Bangs"? For all we know eventually the universe stops expanding, collapses into itself causing a black hole and eventually that single point of extremely hot and dense material recycles into another universe.
The bible is a story focusing mostly around one man. Why focus too much on anything else? Just setting the stage in the beginning to get to the real meat and potatoes.
Also, man wrote the bible. So there are going to be plenty of points that conflict as it was passed along. Mostly for the writers own profiting, in one way or another. I truthfully think God would have kept things simple instead of writing a stereo instruction like manual. Most likely the 10-commandments.
That is utter bullshit. Just because I don't believe there is a meaning, does not mean I don't have goals of my own. I am my worst critic and give myself plenty to live up to.
Seems shallow to think your own goals are enough.
synyster1337
08-03-2010, 07:52 AM
Yes. The fact you have a tailbone. The fact whales have fingers and had legs. The fact antibiotics eventually become useless.
Lame attempt feg.
http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~bio336/Bio336/Lectures/Lecture5/whale.jpg
Quality post. We learned about this back in Bio 120 first semester. Vestigial structures, such as our tailbone and appendix, much like the pelvic bones of whales and snakes, serve no known purpose. However, fossil records indicate that they may have once served a purpose. If you want to take a look at how a shorter-term evolution works, look at dog breeding. It's called artificial selection, because the breeder breeds the dogs that possess the traits she wants. Then, the offspring display phenotypic variations much unlike their parents. Labradoodles and other similar types of dogs are products of man-made evolution, on a much smaller scale.
Also, the reason that people discredit Darwin's Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is that they are ill-informed. Go out and read a book, google it, do something.
IamDeMan
08-03-2010, 08:00 AM
I'm not sure I believe in the existence of hell. Perhaps a different holding location but that has not been defined by me yet. Honestly though, I hate those people. Why should they care if you are going to hell? They are no savior, they have no right.
The bible is a story focusing mostly around one man. Why focus too much on anything else? Just setting the stage in the beginning to get to the real meat and potatoes.
Also, man wrote the bible. So there are going to be plenty of points that conflict as it was passed along. Mostly for the writers own profiting, in one way or another. I truthfully think God would have kept things simple instead of writing a stereo instruction like manual. Most likely the 10-commandments.
Seems shallow to think your own goals are enough.
Why? They are the only ones that affect me.
pl8er
08-03-2010, 08:16 AM
Why? They are the only ones that affect me.
Again, seems shallow to only worry about yourself.
IamDeMan
08-03-2010, 08:18 AM
Again, seems shallow to only worry about yourself.
Oh I consider those close to me when choosing my goals/paths as well. I cannot concern myself with the entire universe anymore than the entire universe is concerned with me.
_AnGeL_
08-03-2010, 08:48 AM
deep thread.
Echo42987
08-03-2010, 08:50 AM
No, of course not. To the magical wizard that walks on water and heals people with his touch silly.
There's a whale that can do that!?!?!?!?
Echo42987
08-03-2010, 09:17 AM
im hungry :fyi:
Shutup you! We are talking about Atheism here!
synyster1337
08-03-2010, 10:19 AM
Shutup you! We are talking about Atheism here!
^^. We don't need a derail on this thread. We have too many people that aren't trolling right now.
Spider Monkey
08-03-2010, 10:32 AM
no i'm not. being in your 50's and 60's with no savings is a very real and extremely common thing.
Yea, for people that put an extreme level of faith in something that can't help them in any way shape or form. The rest of us that will go into our 50's and 60's ready to retire, put faith in investing.
Again, seems shallow to only worry about yourself.
Seems brainwashed to think otherwise.
synyster1337
08-03-2010, 10:41 AM
Again, seems shallow to only worry about yourself.
I do understand what you're saying, but nobody else will have your back if worse comes to worse but yourself. I like to be nice and help other people, but I myself must be happy and well-off first.
Yea, for people that put an extreme level of faith in something that can't help them in any way shape or form. The rest of us that will go into our 50's and 60's ready to retire, put faith in investing.
This. Another attitude that is unhealthy to have is that everything happens for a reason, imo.
pl8er
08-03-2010, 10:42 AM
I do understand what you're saying, but nobody else will have your back if worse comes to worse but yourself. I like to be nice and help other people, but I myself must be happy and well-off first.
This. Another attitude that is unhealthy to have is that everything happens for a reason, imo.
People do surprise each other. It does happen.
tapout
08-03-2010, 12:25 PM
http://i.imgur.com/hfGi0.jpg
Spider Monkey
08-03-2010, 12:29 PM
:hahaha:
IamDeMan
08-03-2010, 12:31 PM
So is the self merely a prison for us to break free from to find the truth?
Or is the self a portion of the power/energy/entity from creation as an attempt to inject likeness into its Playground?
Or is the self just simply another of evolution's tricks?
Spider Monkey
08-03-2010, 12:32 PM
I'll be banning someone in about 45 seconds.
Playing god, eh?
tapout
08-03-2010, 12:33 PM
schaweet
tapout
08-03-2010, 12:43 PM
they were. ANd I banned both.
pl8er
08-03-2010, 12:44 PM
I'll be banning someone in about 45 seconds.
Playing god, eh?
Just wait for it ;)
taking long enough geesh
well shit, I was wrong :P
just looked to be a spammer ha ha ha
No, is not a spammer.
Spider Monkey
08-03-2010, 12:50 PM
I don't have any idea what is going on here. lol
synyster1337
08-03-2010, 12:55 PM
I don't have any idea what is going on here. lol
This.
IamDeMan
08-03-2010, 01:01 PM
Answer mah god adman questions.
HDvids4All
08-03-2010, 01:04 PM
You guys crack me up...guy can't go out to lunch in mid-paragraph without being seen as a terrorist (or worse, a spammer!)? :confused2:
OK, back on track...
Atheist believe they are above pretty much everyone.
Bit jaded, don't you think?
It's not that atheists believe they are above everyone, quite the contrary. There is a certain amount of superiority involved, but it's aimed more at creationist types then all human beings lumped into a single group. For an atheist, (at least for myself...I don't presume to be the speaker for all atheists) the idea of accepting someone's word without fact or proof is a gross mistake in judgment. "Faith" doesn't cut it when discussing the origins of the universe and mankind because "faith" isn't an answer, it's a preconditioned state of mind. So yes, I feel superior to a creationist who believes the world was created in 7 days, because I know it most certainly was not. The fact that this creationist can take such a shallow interest in the creation of everything (by lack of initiative and discovery) and repeat what's been said for over 2000 years without once questioning the source is, to me, an extremely lazy and demeaning attitude.
They do not require guidance and have all of the answers.
I actually think it's the religious sector that feels they have all the answers. Atheists, being scientific by nature, know that we don't have all the answers, so we use science to continue the search. What we are confident about is that religion does not have the answer.
Again, atheists are as varied as religion is, so no single statement can encompass them all.
pl8er
08-03-2010, 01:14 PM
You guys crack me up...guy can't go out to lunch in mid-paragraph without being seen as a terrorist (or worse, a spammer!)? :confused2:
OK, back on track...
Bit jaded, don't you think?
It's not that atheists believe they are above everyone, quite the contrary. There is a certain amount of superiority involved, but it's aimed more at creationist types then all human beings lumped into a single group. For an atheist, (at least for myself...I don't presume to be the speaker for all atheists) the idea of accepting someone's word without fact or proof is a gross mistake in judgment. "Faith" doesn't cut it when discussing the origins of the universe and mankind because "faith" isn't an answer, it's a preconditioned state of mind. So yes, I feel superior to a creationist who believes the world was created in 7 days, because I know it most certainly was not. The fact that this creationist can take such a shallow interest in the creation of everything (by lack of initiative and discovery) and repeat what's been said for over 2000 years without once questioning the source is, to me, an extremely lazy and demeaning attitude.
I actually think it's the religious sector that feels they have all the answers. Atheists, being scientific by nature, know that we don't have all the answers, so we use science to continue the search. What we are confident about is that religion does not have the answer.
Again, atheists are as varied as religion is, so no single statement can encompass them all.
Time is just a measurement tool created by man to record events. God isn't rolling with a Rolex. So 7-days could be any duration of time. Christians just needed a good way to get people to church on Sunday.
I agree that faith is just a coping mechanism used to keep people from going crazy with all of the unknown. Also, if you believe in a higher power and nothing but bad comes to you, you have to believe that it is because you are being tested or there is a master reason. If not, the only acceptable answer is "your god hates you" ha ha.
Hardcore religious types do have that mentality too. The "my way is right because I am me and I am right". I think some (not all) atheists believe this too. I have no real religious ties, so I'm okay with all of that. Honestly, if I had to pick I'd go with Buddhists.
http://depletedcranium.com/2005_01_13giantjesus.jpg
Spider Monkey
08-03-2010, 01:21 PM
http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/JesusStatue.jpg
tapout
08-03-2010, 01:26 PM
http://uktodaynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/touchdown-jesus.jpg
Spider Monkey
08-03-2010, 01:28 PM
What are the odds that you get hit by lightning while your drowning?
Porch Monkey
08-03-2010, 01:39 PM
http://i.imgur.com/hfGi0.jpg
how many of those were you out to clean up the wreckage?
synyster1337
08-03-2010, 01:40 PM
What are the odds that you get hit by lightning while your drowning?
Bro, it was a suicide.
rofl
HDvids4All
08-03-2010, 02:07 PM
Time is just a measurement tool created by man to record events. God isn't rolling with a Rolex. So 7-days could be any duration of time. Christians just needed a good way to get people to church on Sunday.
I agree to a point...when mankind creates a unit of measurement, be it a second, an ounce, millimeter, etc, he does so on the basis that the smallest unit is identifiable and repeatable. A day is a day no matter what time period you look at. The whole "god doesn't use the same measurement of time" argument doesn't holds water for the simple fact that god didn't write the bible, men (many, many men) did. Why would a man write a book using a unit of measurement...the day itself being the unit of measurement...that he doesn't understand? The very idea of doing that is a setup for failure since the writer would knowingly contradict what his idea and god's idea of a day are. If man's day and god's day weren't one and the same, I think god would have added a footnote. Actually, I think god would have had a lot of footnotes...
Of course, you're right regarding getting christians in the doors on Sundays. Which says a whole lot more about organized religion then anything else...if they were willing to "bend the rules" in the beginning by alluding to this dual meaning of a single day, what else could they have been tempted to throw in there later on? If the first chapter of the bible was knowingly misconstrued in order to achieve a certain state of mind in their clergy, couldn't they have done the same thing for practically everything else? Which again leads us back to blind faith.
As far as "I'm right because I'm right," we could completely remove religion from the equation, and still have the same number of people who think that way on both sides. It seems to be an internal trait of some, regardless of their designated viewpoints.
Spider Monkey
08-03-2010, 02:09 PM
Came here to spam, got caught up with religion.
Time to do my ironing!
Porch Monkey
08-03-2010, 02:16 PM
where the fucking christ did this bible thumper come from?
Spider Monkey
08-03-2010, 02:18 PM
where the fucking christ did this bible thumper come from?
Same place Pl8 comes from. Click the IP button. lol
tapout
08-03-2010, 02:19 PM
lulz
Porch Monkey
08-03-2010, 02:22 PM
who needs the fucking book when you can now watch this shit!
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRba4LWqbmVC-meXFPIM7Q-WKaJB3G1BuI-VsjA-SsH-t8nYro&t=1&usg=__MzeL8WF1M40EhEZ5MmTQUsEmVjw=
jesus
08-03-2010, 02:27 PM
who needs the fucking book when you can now watch this shit!
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRba4LWqbmVC-meXFPIM7Q-WKaJB3G1BuI-VsjA-SsH-t8nYro&t=1&usg=__MzeL8WF1M40EhEZ5MmTQUsEmVjw=
Christians have been saying this to themselves for years. Most only use it as a decorative piece and have no clue what it actually says. Like I've said before; it's truly sad how many Christians don't even know what the Bible says aside from a few "talking points".
synyster1337
08-03-2010, 02:31 PM
Christians have been saying this to themselves for years. Most only use it as a decorative piece and have no clue what it actually says. Like I've said before; it's truly sad how many Christians don't even know what the Bible says aside from a few "talking points".
This. I know the bible more than most Christians I meet.
jesus
08-03-2010, 02:31 PM
This. I know the bible more than most Christians I meet.
Ex Ackleree
IamDeMan
08-03-2010, 02:36 PM
Fuck you all.
I agree to a point...when mankind creates a unit of measurement, be it a second, an ounce, millimeter, etc, he does so on the basis that the smallest unit is identifiable and repeatable. A day is a day no matter what time period you look at. The whole "god doesn't use the same measurement of time" argument doesn't holds water for the simple fact that god didn't write the bible, men (many, many men) did. Why would a man write a book using a unit of measurement...the day itself being the unit of measurement...that he doesn't understand? The very idea of doing that is a setup for failure since the writer would knowingly contradict what his idea and god's idea of a day are. If man's day and god's day weren't one and the same, I think god would have added a footnote. Actually, I think god would have had a lot of footnotes...
Of course, you're right regarding getting christians in the doors on Sundays. Which says a whole lot more about organized religion then anything else...if they were willing to "bend the rules" in the beginning by alluding to this dual meaning of a single day, what else could they have been tempted to throw in there later on? If the first chapter of the bible was knowingly misconstrued in order to achieve a certain state of mind in their clergy, couldn't they have done the same thing for practically everything else? Which again leads us back to blind faith.
As far as "I'm right because I'm right," we could completely remove religion from the equation, and still have the same number of people who think that way on both sides. It seems to be an internal trait of some, regardless of their designated viewpoints.
very well said +1
IamDeMan
08-03-2010, 02:39 PM
very well said +1
I saw his name at the bottom and thought for sure this would be a spammer.
synyster1337
08-03-2010, 02:40 PM
I saw his name at the bottom and thought for sure this would be a spammer.
As did Pl8er
lol yea i was thinking who is this guy? i mean. i'm new and idk him
After reading this thread, I think that the way of thinking and presenting ideas displayed in this thread shows potential for deep-thinking and understanding for most people on this forum, providing they are willing to go above the super-troll/everyone-is-a-feg mentality.
see what happens when i roll on the set??
Everyone is a feg, though.
Clarify what your question is.
u know whow we have daydreams of different scenarios and of what we would do in them?? if u were standin at the busstop and a truck flew past and a leather bag fell out the back with 3.5 million in it, what would u do?? u know how ppl start sayin 'aw man, i would be screamin and laughin, then i would tell my boss to fuk off, and then i would.......'
thats what i mean
The speed of light is affected by gravity. Gravity effects time, therefore time is never constant.
I consider this a cop-out. The Bible doesn't allow for millions or even billions of years; no matter how you break it down. There are too many parts in the Bible that completely remove any validity that it may have had.
My answer to the OP is I leave everything to science. Who's to say that we aren't in an ongoing cycle of "Big-Bangs"? For all we know eventually the universe stops expanding, collapses into itself causing a black hole and eventually that single point of extremely hot and dense material recycles into another universe.
I actually thought I had found someone about 2 weeks ago that would be willing to have an open "debate" on science and the Bible, but after about 3 posts over a 2-day period he stopped responding. Blind faith to me is nothing more than being brain-washed. There isn't a single shred of scientific proof that evolution isn't real while at the same time there is nothing in the historical record that shows that the Bible is anything besides recycled stories from multiple cultures throughout history.
The best answer I have ever gotten is "You just have to believe" and "What if I'm right?" and of course "If I'm wrong, what do I lose?". I disagree with those sentiments because that process of thought would have kept us in the dark-ages for centuries to come. Religion is nothing more than a road-block for common-sense and scientific discovery.
ur daughter and mother have been raped and set on fire........ what scientific answer do you give yourself to get through?
IamDeMan
08-03-2010, 06:13 PM
So is the self merely a prison for us to break free from to find the truth?
Or is the self a portion of the power/energy/entity from creation as an attempt to inject likeness into its Playground?
Or is the self just simply another of evolution's tricks?...
IamDeMan
08-03-2010, 06:13 PM
ur daughter and mother have been raped and set on fire........ what scientific answer do you give yourself to get through?
Shit happens and I need to stop being a pussy and move on the best I can.
jesus
08-03-2010, 06:14 PM
ur daughter and mother have been raped and set on fire........ what scientific answer do you give yourself to get through?
Christians believe in voodoo and set witches on fire. I guess I'd burn their church down. :shrug:
15 pages one decent answer.............. time to get this locked.
tapout
08-03-2010, 06:27 PM
15 pages one decent answer.............. time to get this locked.
are you kidding me?
jesus
08-03-2010, 06:28 PM
adio is hopping mad ITT :fyi:
pl8er
08-03-2010, 06:34 PM
15 pages one decent answer.............. time to get this locked.
You are going to have to find Jesus and pray that he will lock this. God knows I won't.
Spider Monkey
08-03-2010, 06:35 PM
15 pages one decent answer.............. time to get this locked.
Oh, I see. So you don't agree with a response which means by default it isn't decent?
You must be christian bro.
tapout
08-03-2010, 06:42 PM
You are going to have to find Jesus and pray that he will lock this. God knows I won't.
this
IamDeMan
08-03-2010, 06:46 PM
15 pages one decent answer.............. time to get this locked.
What was the good answer?
I only have two pages btw. Something must be broke.
dcmcki
08-03-2010, 06:53 PM
I hope Adio doesnt go all Jihad up in here.
synyster1337
08-03-2010, 11:23 PM
ur daughter and mother have been raped and set on fire........ what scientific answer do you give yourself to get through?
There's really not a scientific answer for that. You just have to get by with your will to survive. More or less, you gotta roll with the punches.
15 pages one decent answer.............. time to get this locked.
Was it me? ZOMGWTFBBQ PICK ME!
Echo42987
08-03-2010, 11:44 PM
Oh, I see. So you don't agree with a response which means by default it isn't decent?
You must be christian bro.
yo don't be insulting me bro!
Echo42987
08-03-2010, 11:45 PM
15 pages one decent answer.............. time to get this locked.
Did I miss this?
What was the good answer?
I only have two pages btw. Something must be broke.
No dude.....it's because you haven't refreshed yet bro.....hit refresh bro
The speed of light is affected by gravity. Gravity effects time, therefore time is never constant.
I consider this a cop-out. The Bible doesn't allow for millions or even billions of years; no matter how you break it down. There are too many parts in the Bible that completely remove any validity that it may have had.
My answer to the OP is I leave everything to science. Who's to say that we aren't in an ongoing cycle of "Big-Bangs"? For all we know eventually the universe stops expanding, collapses into itself causing a black hole and eventually that single point of extremely hot and dense material recycles into another universe.
I actually thought I had found someone about 2 weeks ago that would be willing to have an open "debate" on science and the Bible, but after about 3 posts over a 2-day period he stopped responding. Blind faith to me is nothing more than being brain-washed. There isn't a single shred of scientific proof that evolution isn't real while at the same time there is nothing in the historical record that shows that the Bible is anything besides recycled stories from multiple cultures throughout history.
The best answer I have ever gotten is "You just have to believe" and "What if I'm right?" and of course "If I'm wrong, what do I lose?". I disagree with those sentiments because that process of thought would have kept us in the dark-ages for centuries to come. Religion is nothing more than a road-block for common-sense and scientific discovery.
you know, time not being constant is just one of those theories i can never seem to accept other than just being like "well Einstein said it"
if you can provide with more insight, please do.:help:
my brain won't grasp any concept other than time starting at 0 and continuing at a constant rate, just don't get it
and yea i just find it impossible for my brain to believe in God with all of this science and math. i feel the proof they provide (aka carbon dating, studies of evolution) trumps anything any religious person has tried to say to me. they usually go to the bible and quote something stupid and i'm thinking "bro, why are you quoting what i'm questioning" :foil:
Uncle Rico
08-04-2010, 02:18 AM
Shit happens and I need to stop being a pussy and move on the best I can.
Thats a damn lie . You'd get a divorce and not talk to your sister for a while.
What was the good answer?
I only have two pages btw. Something must be broke.
Same here.
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 06:44 AM
Thats a damn lie . You'd get a divorce and not talk to your sister for a while.
Why would I get a divorce and stop talking to my sister? Did my wife and sister do the raping? I am confused.
pl8er
08-04-2010, 07:21 AM
you know, time not being constant is just one of those theories i can never seem to accept other than just being like "well Einstein said it"
if you can provide with more insight, please do.:help:
my brain won't grasp any concept other than time starting at 0 and continuing at a constant rate, just don't get it
and yea i just find it impossible for my brain to believe in God with all of this science and math. i feel the proof they provide (aka carbon dating, studies of evolution) trumps anything any religious person has tried to say to me. they usually go to the bible and quote something stupid and i'm thinking "bro, why are you quoting what i'm questioning" :foil:
Not sure if it is the same. But they have actually taken 2 highly precise time measurement devices and left one on the ground and taken one in a high speed aircraft. After a certain period of time the time on the airplane slowed down.
pl8er
08-04-2010, 07:22 AM
http://www.brianbosak.com/
Time travel is no longer regarded as strictly science fiction. For years the concept of time travel has been the topic of science fiction novels and movies, and has been pondered by great scientists throughout history. Einstein’s theories of general and special relativity can be used to actually prove that time travel is possible. Government research experiments have yielded experimental data that conclusively illustrate that fast moving aircraft have traveled into the future. This phenomenon is due to the principal of time dilation, which states that bodies moving at high velocities experience a time that ticks slower than the time measured at zero velocity.3 Not as much time elapses for a moving body as does for everything else. Phenomena known as wormholes and closed timelike curves are possible means of time travel into the future and the past.4 Traveling into the past is a task which is much more difficult than traveling into the future. This feat has not yet been accomplished -to our knowledge- and its theory involves complicated scenarios of tears in four dimensional space-time, and traveling near the speed of light. Obstacles which prevent our hubris attempts to cheat time include our inability to move even close to the speed of light, and finding a source of energy as powerful as an exploding star. Simply because the proposal of time travel is backed by scientific theory, is no reason to expect that it is easily achievable. Numerous arguments are proposed that that prevent time travel into the past. Both common sense and scientific fact can be used to paint scenarios that become serious obstacles. Not to fear, we have all the time in the world to overcome these minor limitations.
Imagine if you will, that you are one of the people sill alive today that was born prior to 1903, when the first airplane took flight. When you were young the idea of flying would probably have been quite exciting. Some scientists believe that we may presently be living through an identical scenario. The thing that would be so exciting however, would not be flight, but time travel. Leading scientists believe that our children will live to once again see the impossible become routine. Professor Michio Kaku of the University of New York believes that space flight may one day unlock the secret of time itself. This will require the development of spacecraft that can travel at speeds on the order of two hundred million meters per second, that’s about four hundred and fifty million miles per hour. Craft traveling at this speed will take us near the speed of light, where time actually slows down. This is what’s known as time dilation. Einstein’s theories predict that the faster a spacecraft moves, the slower time ticks inside of it. Imagine that a rocket ship takes off from earth and approaches the speed of light. If we were to watch it from earth with a very powerful telescope as it traveled away from us, we would see everyone inside the ship as being frozen in time. To us their time would slow down, but to them nothing would change! This has been measured in the laboratory and on location using atomic clocks, aircraft, satellites and rockets. It is proven that time slows down the faster you move. In 1975 Professor Carol Allie of the University of Maryland tested Einstein’s theory using two synchronized atomic clocks. One clock was loaded on a plane and flown for several hours, while the other clock remained on the ground at the air base. Upon return, the clock on board the plane was found to be ever so slightly slower that the one on the ground. This was not due to experimental error, and has been repeated numerous times with the same result. This difference in time is even more pronounced in satellites such as the space station. This is because these objects are traveling at speeds much faster and for much longer periods than possible in an airplane. The faster an object moves, the more time is distorted.
Now that we know that it is possible to travel into the future by moving at great speeds, the next problem is how to travel in time a respectable amount without having to sit in a fast moving spaceship for years. This problem is solved by the theoretical existence of what are know as closed timelike curves, and wormholes.
Einstein’s special and general theories of relativity combine three-dimensional space with time to form four dimensional space-time.2 Space-time consists of points or events that represent a particular place at a particular time. Your entire life thus forms a sort of twisting, turning worm in space time! The tip of the worm’s tail would be your birth and its head is the event of your death. The line which this worm creates with its body is called that object’s worldline. Einstein predicts that worldlines can be distorted by massive bodies such as black holes. This is essentially the origin of gravity, remember. Now if an object’s worldline were to be distorted so much as to form a loop that connected with a point on itself that represented an earlier place and time, it would create a corridor to the past! Picture a loop to loop track that smashes into itself as it comes back around. This closed loop is called a closed timelike curve. Timelike means that the body under consideration experiences time that increases in one direction along its worldline.2 Princeton University physicist John A. Wheeler, and Kip S. Thorne of Cal. Tech. have shown that a closed timelike curve is one way to create a kind of shortcut through space-time called a wormhole.2
Wormholes are holes in the fabric of four dimensional space-time, that are connected, but which originate at different points in space and at different times. They provide a quick path between two different locations in space and time. This is the four dimensional equivalent of pinching two pieces of a folded sheet of paper together to make contact across the gap. Distortions in space cause the points separated by the gap to bulge out and connect. This forms a wormhole through which something could instantaneously travel to a far away place and time.4 No more problems of traveling in a rocket ship for years to get into the future! This is essentially what was written about in "Alice in Wonderland’s Through the Looking Glass." Her looking glass was a wormhole that connected her home in Oxford, with wonderland.
All she had to do was climb into her looking glass and she would emerge on the other side of forever. In reality however, it would require a much more elaborate scheme to create a wormhole that connects two different points in space-time. First it would require the construction of two identical machines consisting of two huge parallel metal plates that are electrically charged with unbelievable amounts of energy. When the machines are placed in proximity of each other, the enormous amounts of energy -about that of an exploding star- would rip a hole in space-time and connect the two machines via a wormhole. This is possible, and the beginnings of it have been illustrated in the lab by what is known as the Casimir Effect. The next task would be to place one of these machines on a craft that could travel at close to the speed of light. The craft would take one machine on a journey while it was still connected to the one on earth via the wormhole. Now, a simple step into the wormhole would transport you to a different place and a different time.
Wormholes and closed timelike loops appear to be the main ways that time travel into the past would be possible. The limitation on this time travel into the past is that it would be impossible to travel back to a time before the machine was originally created. Although the aforementioned theories of general relativity are consistent for closed timelike curves and wormholes, the theories say nothing about the actual process of traveling through them. Quantum mechanics can be used to model possible scenarios, and yields the probability of each possible output. Quantum mechanics, when used in the context of time travel, has a so-called many-universe interpretation. This was first proposed by Hugh Everett III in 1957.3 It encompasses the idea that if something can physically happen, it does in some universe. Everett says that our reality is only one of many equally valid universes. There is a collection of universes, called a multiverse. Every multiverse has copies of every person, structure, and atom. For every possible event, every possible outcome is said to be played out on a different universe. This interpretation of quantum mechanics is quite controversial however, but does elicit the notion that it may be impossible to travel backward in time to our own universe or dimension. One must consider what past would be the destination of a time traveler. The notion that time travel could link parallel universes, has been anticipated in science fiction novels, and is even depicted in the popular television series "Sliders." In this program, a "sliding machine" creates a wormhole that links two parallel dimensions. Each week the group of "sliders" jump into the wormhole and emerge in the same place and time, but a different dimension. They can run into their other selves and experience a reality that has yielded a vastly different society than their own. The interesting thing is that the stuff of science fiction, can be deduced from existing physical theory. All the claims made about time travel are consequences of basic scientific laws and standard quantum mechanics.
The proposal of time travel is backed by scientific theory, but that is not enough to make it realistically possible. Numerous arguments are proposed that that prevent time travel into the past. Both common sense and scientific fact construct serious obstacles. A major argument against time travel into the past is called the autonomy principle, better know as the grandfather paradox. This paradox is created when a time traveler goes back in time to meet his or her grandfather. Now upon their introduction it would be possible to change the course of events that lead up to your grandfather and grandmother marrying. You could tell him something about a family secret to convince him you are who you say you are, and he may proceed to tell his soon to be wife. She may in turn doubt his sanity and have him committed. Thus your grandparents would never have your mother, and therefore you couldn’t be born! But then how could you have ever existed to travel back in time if you don’t exist? You would have had to have been created via autonomy. The next question would be, if your mother was never born, then when you return to the future would anything you did in your life exist? Or would you, your friends, your home etc. never have existed? This is clearly an inconsistency paradox that would rule out time travel, yet interestingly enough the laws of physics do not forbid such excursions. The multiverse concept eradicates the problem of the autonomy principal, because it allows time travel to the past, but to a different universe. You would meet the person who was your grandfather in your universe, but never married your grandmother in his universe. In the universe that you traveled to, you never existed.
Another argument of impossibility is called the chronology principal. This principal states that time travelers could bring information to the past that could be used to create new ideas and products. This would involve no creative energy on the part of the "inventor." Imagine that Pablo Ruiz y Picasso, the most influential and successful artist of the 20th century, were to travel back in time to meet his younger self. Assuming he stays in his correct universe, he could give his younger self his portfolio containing copies of his paintings, sculptures, graphic art, and ceramics. The young version of Picasso could then meticulously copy the reproductions, profoundly and irrevocably affecting the future of art. Thus, the reproductions exist because they are copied from the originals, and the originals exist because they are copied from the reproductions. No creative energy would have ever been expended to create the masterpieces! 3 This chronology principal rules out travel into the past.
A notion that was once nothing more than science fiction, is now a concept that’s becoming reality. Einstein’s theories of general and special relativity can be used to actually prove that time travel is possible, and research has shown that fast moving craft can travel into the future. Time dilation is the easiest method because it merely requires high velocity motion to experience time travel.3 Phenomena known as wormholes and closed timelike curves are possible means of time travel into the future and the past.4 Traveling into the past is a task which is much more difficult however. Its theory involves complicated scenarios of tears in four dimensional space-time, energy equivalent to that of an exploding star, and traveling near the speed of light. Both common sense and scientific fact can be used to paint scenarios that become serious obstacles. Yet even these hindrances can be explained away! If the multiverse concept is reality, then most present ideas of time travel are based on a false reality. If time travel is completely impossible then the reason has yet to be discovered.
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 07:25 AM
Not sure if it is the same. But they have actually taken 2 highly precise time measurement devices and left one on the ground and taken one in a high speed aircraft. After a certain period of time the time on the airplane slowed down.
I thought this concept was common knowledge by now. We have known this since putting the first satellites into orbit.
Porch Monkey
08-04-2010, 07:25 AM
tl;dr
pl8er
08-04-2010, 07:29 AM
I cliffed it before the long part, no reason to read.
pl8er
08-04-2010, 07:29 AM
Knowledge is overrated, am I right?
_AnGeL_
08-04-2010, 07:30 AM
:hi5:
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 07:34 AM
If this wasn't true and time was constant, then we would not be here yet. The known Universe would have to be a hell of a lot older than we have calculated for all this coalescing to have happened. However, in the initial bang, matter was flung at the speed of light or by some debatable accounts FASTER than the speed of light. Therefore time was going by very slowly if at all in the infancy.
pl8er
08-04-2010, 07:46 AM
If this wasn't true and time was constant, then we would not be here yet. The known Universe would have to be a hell of a lot older than we have calculated for all this coalescing to have happened. However, in the initial bang, matter was flung at the speed of light or by some debatable accounts FASTER than the speed of light. Therefore time was going by very slowly if at all in the infancy.
BAAAAM! That just fucking happened.
Re-read what he wrote. NOTHING on the forum is going to be more on point today. I'll put money on it.
Did deman just argue that creation could have happened in 7 days?
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 08:19 AM
Did deman just argue that creation could have happened in 7 days?
LMMFAO!
synyster1337
08-04-2010, 09:02 AM
Not sure if it is the same. But they have actually taken 2 highly precise time measurement devices and left one on the ground and taken one in a high speed aircraft. After a certain period of time the time on the airplane slowed down.
I think that's the Theory of Relativity, but I'm not sure.
http://www.norcimo.com/blog/archives/upload/2007/06/schrodingers-lolcat1.jpg
(rep if you get the joke)
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 09:17 AM
(rep if you get the joke)
Schrödinger
Porch Monkey
08-04-2010, 09:25 AM
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0M0uru3c375qSyPdCtcgAT3PV70HnFtzRBa734vcqaLwut9k&t=1&usg=__plqmKHg5Ux1z-QAWzWOtHQATNms=
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 10:32 AM
BAAAAM! That just fucking happened.
Re-read what he wrote. NOTHING on the forum is going to be more on point today. I'll put money on it.
You're on. Watch everything I say very closely today.
Porch Monkey
08-04-2010, 11:12 AM
don't have a watch big enough bromey
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 11:28 AM
don't have a watch big enough bromey
:cornlol:
Porch Monkey
08-04-2010, 11:45 AM
how fast would the hands move?
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 11:49 AM
Thinking about this gets me depressed. I start to think we know so much, yet it is very little. To add to it, I know I will never witness the truth in my life and that eats at me.
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 11:51 AM
Too late now. The spiral has started to consume me already.
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 11:52 AM
Too late now. The spiral has started to consume me already.
Bro, let me know what facts you need and I will give them to you.
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 11:53 AM
Bro, let me know what facts you need and I will give them to you.
You don't have facts. Since I don't believe in God, you and your "facts" do not exist.
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 11:54 AM
Which makes it more depressing.
Porch Monkey
08-04-2010, 11:56 AM
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp5/jefforycloyd/JeffsMySpaceAnimation/TwilightZone.gif
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 11:57 AM
You don't have facts. Since I don't believe in God, you and your "facts" do not exist.
Wait, are you saying I believe in god, or I am god? That was confusing.
Both, you believe in yourself right bro?
Porch Monkey
08-04-2010, 12:01 PM
in my cock I trust
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 12:03 PM
Both, you believe in yourself right bro?
Yes, and I also know I'm god, but I still don't get what he was trying to say.
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 12:04 PM
Wait, are you saying I believe in god, or I am god? That was confusing.
You have stated on many occasion that fact #1 is that you are God. This nullifies itself and all subsequent facts after it bro.
Porch Monkey
08-04-2010, 12:13 PM
Yes, and I also know I'm god, but I still don't get what he was trying to say.
So then how's it coming along protecting MOT's house and shit?
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 12:17 PM
You have stated on many occasion that fact #1 is that you are God. This nullifies itself and all subsequent facts after it bro.
I was willing to keep that fact to myself this time bro.
So then how's it coming along protecting MOT's house and shit?
That's my son's gig bro.
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 01:50 PM
I was willing to keep that fact to myself this time bro.
Perhaps it is fact and fictional at the same time?
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 02:01 PM
Perhaps it is fact and fictional at the same time?
Well bro, God is infact everything.
_AnGeL_
08-04-2010, 02:04 PM
factional?
Volpone
08-04-2010, 02:19 PM
I have hardly read any of this thread but I'll try to give some of my personal perspective on the original question.
How does an atheist respond to hard times? There is no answer. The only dogma associated with atheism is that they don't believe any gods exist. Aside from that, you can believe anything else and still call yourself an atheist.
As such, I will answer for myself only. First, I begin with the understanding that things aren't always going to get "better." The universe at large does not seem to care whether I'm happy or not, so I should not expect a certain level of happiness to be maintained at all times. Second, I also understand that my existence is unlikely, rare, and, relative to an unknown but undoubtedly enormous quantity of absolute time, very brief. As such, I consider every second of my existence extremely valuable, even in times that seem terribly depressing. That I have a few seconds more to live is consolation enough to make it through difficulty. Third, I have a sense of empowerment, knowing that whether I succeed or fail will depend, to a great extent, on what I do with my life here and now. Last, no man or woman is on an island. We share the struggle for existence with everyone around us. In most cases, we are surrounded by people with whom we share important existential links, and it is often those links that give us meaning to look forward to.
Those are the primary drivers for me in hard times. The struggle to cope with existence is as old as existence itself, and religion holds no particular bearing over this matter (though it certainly holds a disproportionate sway amongst the public en masse). We can reason independent of dogma, and it is my belief that doing so will ultimately provide us with the nearest approximation of true, justified value-judgements that we can make.
I thought this concept was common knowledge by now. We have known this since putting the first satellites into orbit.
well i knew this but i just have trouble grasping the concept
Knowledge is overrated, am I right?
ehh i wouldn't say so
If this wasn't true and time was constant, then we would not be here yet. The known Universe would have to be a hell of a lot older than we have calculated for all this coalescing to have happened. However, in the initial bang, matter was flung at the speed of light or by some debatable accounts FASTER than the speed of light. Therefore time was going by very slowly if at all in the infancy.
Faster than the speed of light? I've been taught it's impossible for anything with mass to travel at the speed, let alone faster.
Did deman just argue that creation could have happened in 7 days?
lel
http://www.norcimo.com/blog/archives/upload/2007/06/schrodingers-lolcat1.jpg
shrodinger's cat, who is half dead and half alive lol? which brings you to the concept of flux.. :D
Porch Monkey
08-04-2010, 03:42 PM
that's what I do to a toilet after I fill them to crapacity
evildave101
08-04-2010, 03:44 PM
Faster than the speed of light? I've been taught it's impossible for anything with mass to travel at the speed, let alone faster.
vtec bro...
fucking lol dude. i wonder the rate that your poo in lbs/second
we could take the anti derivative of that and find out how fast your digestive system is :P
jesus
08-04-2010, 03:45 PM
well i knew this but i just have trouble grasping the concept
ehh i wouldn't say so
Faster than the speed of light? I've been taught it's impossible for anything with mass to travel at the speed, let alone faster.
lel
shrodinger's cat, who is half dead and half alive lol? which brings you to the concept of flux.. :D
When astronomers say that the universe is expanding, they’re talking about the rather abstract concept of space-time. Basically, space-time is the three physical dimensions of our existence-length, breadth and depth-combined with the additional dimension of time; think of it as a wire grid that connects every part of the universe to every other part. When we say an object has motion, we’re referring to its change in position relative to the space-time grid. The speed of light is only a constraint for objects that exist within space-time, not for space-time itself.
To better visualize the theory, astronomers often illustrate the expanding universe as a loaf of raisin bread rising in the oven. The raisins are galaxies and the rising dough represents space-time. As the dough expands, the raisin galaxies find themselves farther apart from each other, even though they are not moving relative to the dough between them.
Now let’s imagine that there’s a beetle in the loaf and it starts crawling toward a faraway raisin (don’t worry- we’re not going to eat it anyway). The beetle represents anything within space, such as baseballs, spaceships or photons. When the beetle burrows through the bread, he is moving relative to the dough, and all the other raisins. The speed of light limits how fast the beetle can travel, but not how quickly the bread can rise. Just because the expansion of space can break the speed limit, it doesn’t mean that we can go faster than Einstein said we could.
So, while the speed of light remains an unbreakable barrier for those of us within the universe, it can’t limit the expansion of space-time itself. The universe keeps right on expanding, but the speed of light limits how much of it we can see, and how fast we can move. It may not be fair, but that’s physics.
http://www.scienceline.org/2007/07/ask-romero-speedoflight/
i think we should dedicate a thread to quantum theory and physics since this is getting alot and also changes topic of OP....and now i'll read and respond to the long article haha
how'd ya get so shmart?
i'm glad they used the bread example or i woulda been like huh?
vtec bro...
Wikipedia tells me you lie, or that honda is just boss, idk which one
VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) is a valvetrain system developed by Honda to improve the volumetric efficiency of a four-stroke internal combustion engine
Goddamnit i LOOOOOOOOOOOVE Vtec!
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 04:11 PM
Faster than the speed of light? I've been taught it's impossible for anything with mass to travel at the speed, let alone faster.
Yes and in elementary school we were also told that everyone but Christopher Columbus thought the world was round in his era. However, they knew the world was round well before that. However, thanks to lost information and a miscalculation, Columbus thought the sphere was much smaller.
Porch Monkey
08-04-2010, 04:12 PM
the Chinese found America long before anyone else
Yes and in elementary school we were also told that everyone but Christopher Columbus thought the world was round in his era. However, they knew the world was round well before that. However, thanks to lost information and a miscalculation, Columbus thought the sphere was much smaller.
i thought everyone thought it was flat?
i don't know the history
and who knew the world was round?
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 04:29 PM
Yes and in elementary school we were also told that everyone but Christopher Columbus thought the world was round in his era. However, they knew the world was round well before that. However, thanks to lost information and a miscalculation, Columbus thought the sphere was much smaller.
We were also taught that he discovered America, when is reality, he didn't even land on the fucking continent.
jesus
08-04-2010, 04:31 PM
Pythagoras............Aristotle...............
jesus
08-04-2010, 04:31 PM
We were also taught that he discovered America, when is reality, he didn't even land of the fucking continent.
:laugh:
South "America"
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 04:35 PM
I love our education system. Rewriting history one book at a time. Its amazing we're not all retarded.
jesus
08-04-2010, 04:39 PM
Columbus put America on the proverbial map. It was his journey that spurred many to follow him and eventually led to the settling of this "new world" in the early 17th century by Europeans.
In later voyages he reached the mouth of the Orinoco River, in what is now called northern Venezuela, but still didn't realize that he was on the edge of a new continent.
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 04:43 PM
Columbus put America on the proverbial map. It was his journey that spurred many to follow him and eventually led to the settling of this "new world" in the early 17th century by Europeans.
In later voyages he reached the mouth of the Orinoco River, in what is now called northern Venezuela, but still didn't realize that he was on the edge of a new continent.
No, he just put it on the European map. PM was correct earlier. It was already on the Asian maps.
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 04:44 PM
Now, the real question is.....
Why the fuck did we call Native Americans, Indians? lol
I love our education system. Rewriting history one book at a time. Its amazing we're not all retarded.
this.
at least we know that math and science can't be fucked with
evildave101
08-04-2010, 04:47 PM
Now, the real question is.....
Why the fuck did we call Native Americans, Indians? lol
isnt that because the columbus group thought they were in india?
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 04:48 PM
this.
at least we know that math and science can't be fucked with
Actually, you're wrong again.
Math and science both don't work as we understand them. Mathematics stops working once you get to the atomic level. Science can't explain gravity.
Both are faked to a point where you can get educated, but neither are fully understood.
So try again. The only thing that can't be fucked with is me. Everything else is fuckable.
jesus
08-04-2010, 04:49 PM
isnt that because the columbus group thought they were in india?
Correct. That's why the Bahamas are still called "West Indies".
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 04:49 PM
isnt that because the columbus group thought they were in india?
That's what we were incorrectly taught, but Columbus was never in North America, therefore couldn't have named the Native Americans.
So now what? :wat:
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 04:50 PM
Correct. That's why the Bahamas are still called "West Indies".
That makes sense. They were actually in the carribean.
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 04:51 PM
Columbus put America on the proverbial map. It was his journey that spurred many to follow him and eventually led to the settling of this "new world" in the early 17th century by Europeans.
In later voyages he reached the mouth of the Orinoco River, in what is now called northern Venezuela, but still didn't realize that he was on the edge of a new continent.
He was a failure at what he set out to do. We honor a god damn failure. He couldn't even get the math right to know how retarded it would have been to go west in search of the east.
evildave101
08-04-2010, 04:52 PM
That's what we were incorrectly taught, but Columbus was never in North America, therefore couldn't have named the Native Americans.
So now what? :wat:
columbus himself didnt make it, but his group did
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 04:53 PM
columbus himself didnt make it, but his group did
By 'his group' do you mean Europeans? lol
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 04:54 PM
I lol @ math and science being infallible. Math in our constructed understanding of it is perhaps the truest of the sciences, but even it hits walls.
evildave101
08-04-2010, 04:57 PM
By 'his group' do you mean Europeans? lol
he had 3 ships of mofos
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 05:04 PM
he had 3 ships of mofos
They were small ass 40 foot sailboats bro. He didn't have an army with him. You could fit more people in my living room than you could on his boats. He had a couple dozen people at best who all stuck together. They have a funny way of teaching this story to make us think he was sailing a couple titanic motherfuckers with 150 men to them each.
evildave101
08-04-2010, 05:06 PM
I lol @ math and science being infallible. Math in our constructed understanding of it is perhaps the truest of the sciences, but even it hits walls.
3 travelers share a room
room is $30
each pays $10
front desk realizes he over charged, room should be $25, so he goes to refund the extra - thinks "they split the tab evenly", but in order to refund them evenly he takes 5 ones. still wont work evenly, so he decides to refund them $1 each and puts the other $2 in his pocket
so each guy paid $9
3x9 =27
plus the $2 in his pocket
what happened to the other dollar?
Volpone
08-04-2010, 05:10 PM
Each guy paid $9, totaling $27, which includes the $2 in his pocket. There is no missing dollar.
Spider Monkey
08-04-2010, 05:11 PM
3 travelers share a room
room is $30
each pays $10
front desk realizes he over charged, room should be $25, so he goes to refund the extra - thinks "they split the tab evenly", but in order to refund them evenly he takes 5 ones. still wont work evenly, so he decides to refund them $1 each and puts the other $2 in his pocket
so each guy paid $9
3x9 =27
plus the $2 in his pocket
what happened to the other dollar?
It went in his pocket. You just said so.
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 05:12 PM
Trick questions that we heard when 5 have no place here.
evildave101
08-04-2010, 05:12 PM
3 x 9 = 27
27 + 2 = 29
started with 30
1 is missing
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 05:13 PM
3 x 9 = 27
27 + 2 = 29
started with 30
1 is missing
No it isn't.
Volpone
08-04-2010, 05:17 PM
The front desk received $30. He was supposed to receive only $25. He gives $3 back to the tenants, leaving him with $27. He then takes $2 for himself, leaving $25 for the hotel (the correct amount). There is no missing dollar.
IamDeMan
08-04-2010, 05:21 PM
Costs confuse Dave ITT.
evildave101
08-04-2010, 05:24 PM
The front desk received $30. He was supposed to receive only $25. He gives $3 back to the tenants, leaving him with $27. He then takes $2 for himself, leaving $25 for the hotel (the correct amount). There is no missing dollar.
Costs confuse Dave ITT.
its a riddle of sorts
and its 2 seperate math problems
ThomasG
08-04-2010, 10:04 PM
Just read every page. Didn't think it was possible to have threads like these on CT.
pl8er
08-04-2010, 10:07 PM
It does happen.
pl8er
08-04-2010, 10:07 PM
Now go read my jrob thread and work magic
pl8er
08-04-2010, 10:08 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs287.snc4/40699_1549665298675_1146373033_31578982_7619833_n.jpg
bluecar
08-04-2010, 10:31 PM
Again, seems shallow to only worry about yourself.
Why would I worry about anyone else?
bluecar
08-04-2010, 10:35 PM
ur daughter and mother have been raped and set on fire........ what scientific answer do you give yourself to get through?
I don't understand what you mean. I do not need a scientific fact to get through.
1. I recognize the event
2. I cry about it on a forum
3. I try to comfort my family the best way I can
synyster1337
08-05-2010, 10:46 AM
When astronomers say that the universe is expanding, they’re talking about the rather abstract concept of space-time. Basically, space-time is the three physical dimensions of our existence-length, breadth and depth-combined with the additional dimension of time; think of it as a wire grid that connects every part of the universe to every other part. When we say an object has motion, we’re referring to its change in position relative to the space-time grid. The speed of light is only a constraint for objects that exist within space-time, not for space-time itself.
To better visualize the theory, astronomers often illustrate the expanding universe as a loaf of raisin bread rising in the oven. The raisins are galaxies and the rising dough represents space-time. As the dough expands, the raisin galaxies find themselves farther apart from each other, even though they are not moving relative to the dough between them.
Now let’s imagine that there’s a beetle in the loaf and it starts crawling toward a faraway raisin (don’t worry- we’re not going to eat it anyway). The beetle represents anything within space, such as baseballs, spaceships or photons. When the beetle burrows through the bread, he is moving relative to the dough, and all the other raisins. The speed of light limits how fast the beetle can travel, but not how quickly the bread can rise. Just because the expansion of space can break the speed limit, it doesn’t mean that we can go faster than Einstein said we could.
So, while the speed of light remains an unbreakable barrier for those of us within the universe, it can’t limit the expansion of space-time itself. The universe keeps right on expanding, but the speed of light limits how much of it we can see, and how fast we can move. It may not be fair, but that’s physics.
http://www.scienceline.org/2007/07/ask-romero-speedoflight/
This poast makes me want to take you to a planetarium after it's closed, and tear that ass up.
Tiger Bass
08-05-2010, 10:52 AM
There is proof that evolution is real?
Yes....
Tiger Bass
08-05-2010, 10:55 AM
When astronomers say that the universe is expanding, they’re talking about the rather abstract concept of space-time. Basically, space-time is the three physical dimensions of our existence-length, breadth and depth-combined with the additional dimension of time; think of it as a wire grid that connects every part of the universe to every other part. When we say an object has motion, we’re referring to its change in position relative to the space-time grid. The speed of light is only a constraint for objects that exist within space-time, not for space-time itself.
To better visualize the theory, astronomers often illustrate the expanding universe as a loaf of raisin bread rising in the oven. The raisins are galaxies and the rising dough represents space-time. As the dough expands, the raisin galaxies find themselves farther apart from each other, even though they are not moving relative to the dough between them.
Now let’s imagine that there’s a beetle in the loaf and it starts crawling toward a faraway raisin (don’t worry- we’re not going to eat it anyway). The beetle represents anything within space, such as baseballs, spaceships or photons. When the beetle burrows through the bread, he is moving relative to the dough, and all the other raisins. The speed of light limits how fast the beetle can travel, but not how quickly the bread can rise. Just because the expansion of space can break the speed limit, it doesn’t mean that we can go faster than Einstein said we could.
So, while the speed of light remains an unbreakable barrier for those of us within the universe, it can’t limit the expansion of space-time itself. The universe keeps right on expanding, but the speed of light limits how much of it we can see, and how fast we can move. It may not be fair, but that’s physics.
http://www.scienceline.org/2007/07/ask-romero-speedoflight/
The Scientific American had an excellent article explaining this in their most recent issue. Check it out. I don't really care to get too technical right now, but it was talking about how light is red shifting and appears as if light is losing energy. But on the contrary, it just means the universe is expanding. Or possibly being brought together into singularities, thus expanding the space between stars.
Echo42987
08-05-2010, 11:02 AM
this thread is still continuing......
Echo42987
08-05-2010, 11:03 AM
Yes....
dude your late bro they already showed me that a whale has a pelvis and femur....now I believe in Evolution fo realz bro
synyster1337
08-05-2010, 12:24 PM
this thread is still continuing......
It's a damn good thread, imo.
dude your late bro they already showed me that a whale has a pelvis and femur....now I believe in Evolution fo realz bro
Not only whales possess vestigial structures. Us humans have a tailbone and an appendix. There is no known use for the appendix, except occasional swelling and rupturing. Some scientists, out of speculation, suggest that it could have been used to help digest raw meat when the genus homo was in its primitive stages.
dudes... i watched a fam guy episode where they travel into the future but can't go back in time and eventually they go so far as to witness the "end" of the universe,,
then it all just happened again, the big bang
i wonder if this is what really happens....
what end do you guys think will come of this universe... just wondering?
pl8er
08-05-2010, 12:40 PM
The universe won't end.
The world will.
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